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Did The Concorde Really Have An Ignition Key?  
User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

Is it true that the Concorde was the only large commercial airliner that had an ignition key?

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6504 times:

Well, even if it had a key, it would not be an ignition key. That implies it controls ignition. Igniting the engines was a bit more complex than that back in the pre-FADEC days.  

Also it's "Concorde", not "The Concorde".



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User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6508 times:

Quoting YokoTsuno (Thread starter):
Is it true that the Concorde was the only large commercial airliner that had an ignition key?

Yes, but the pilots never used it. They used the remote start instead. That way, the air conditioning would be on and the plane would be cool when the pilots were ready to step aboard.



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User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
Yes, but the pilots never used it. They used the remote start instead
You mean the plane really had a built-in auxiliary power source or sort for starting the turbines? If so where did the energy for this come from?

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Also it's "Concorde", not "The Concorde".
I am afraid I need grammatical advice here. Several websites refer to "The Concorde", so what's wrong here?


User currently offlinevc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

I think they were joking with you

1] Concorde had no built in auxiliary power source to start engines you needed both external electrics and external air to turn the engines. There was aabnormal proceedure where with external air you could start using the aircraft batteries.

2] No there was no ignition key, infact no key of any sort, well not pre 9/11

3] Do not worry you say The Concorde or just Concorde, it is not worth worrying about and be happy

littlevc10


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 3):
I am afraid I need grammatical advice here. Several websites refer to "The Concorde", so what's wrong here?


It a British thing: They say he was taken to "hospital". Not he was taken to "the hospital"?


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 3):
I am afraid I need grammatical advice here. Several websites refer to "The Concorde", so what's wrong here?


It a British thing: They say he was taken to "hospital". Not he was taken to "the hospital"?

Not really, it's more of a Concorde thing. We talk about "the VC-10", "the 747", "the BAC 1-11", etc. It's not grammatically incorrect to call it "the" Concorde but it's just not the done thing within Concorde circles. You could call it respect, reverence, awe, having a special place in people's hearts, etc.  


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
Yes, but the pilots never used it. They used the remote start instead. That way, the air conditioning would be on and the plane would be cool when the pilots were ready to step aboard.

Is that the remote control that automatically shuts the windows if you leave them open?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 3):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Also it's "Concorde", not "The Concorde".
I am afraid I need grammatical advice here. Several websites refer to "The Concorde", so what's wrong here?

As David L says it is custom more than grammar.

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
It's not grammatically incorrect to call it "the" Concorde but it's just not the done thing within Concorde circles. You could call it respect, reverence, awe, having a special place in people's hearts, etc.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3212 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6168 times:
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so where did the "key" rumor begin?

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 9):
so where did the "key" rumor begin?

Possibly from the list of items many a new maintenance apprentice has been sent to the stores to collect, e.g. propwash, a long weight, a long stand, etc. I've no idea (I could end the sentence right there) where the rumour specific to Concorde came from.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting vc10 (Reply 4):
1] Concorde had no built in auxiliary power source to start engines you needed both external electrics and external air to turn the engines. There was aabnormal proceedure where with external air you could start using the aircraft batteries.

Although I think it's interesting that airframes 214 (G-BOAG) and 216 (G-BOAF), the last Concordes built, had the mounting holes and fittings for an APU. The reason why is because these two aircraft, the last two Concordes built, were originally ordered by Iran Air with APUs and they were the last foreign airline to cancel their Concorde order.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 10):
Quoting kanban (Reply 9):
so where did the "key" rumor begin?

Possibly from the list of items many a new maintenance apprentice has been sent to the stores to collect,

I was thinking a new flight attendant was sent to Ops by the captain to get the keys for the plane.  


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 12):
I was thinking a new flight attendant was sent to Ops by the captain to get the keys for the plane.

Possibly but I'm sure that story's been told here by a mechanic or two.


User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 10):
Possibly from the list of items many a new maintenance apprentice has been sent to the stores to collect, e.g. propwash, a long weight, a long stand, etc. I've no idea (I could end the sentence right there) where the rumour specific to Concorde came from.

..and will ya pick up some flight line too?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Also it's "Concorde", not "The Concorde".

What's the problem with "the"? Seems to make more grammatical sense in English.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Also it's "Concorde", not "The Concorde".

What's the problem with "the"? Seems to make more grammatical sense in English.

As mentioned, it is tradition to omit "the" in the case of Concorde.



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User currently offlinelimaniner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
It's not grammatically incorrect to call it "the" Concorde but it's just not the done thing within Concorde circles. You could call it respect, reverence, awe, having a special place in people's hearts, etc.

There's a great quote towards the end of the movie "The Good Shepherd":

"Someone asked me why we say 'CIA' and not 'the CIA'? Why do we say 'God', and not 'the God'?"


User currently offlinespencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1633 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting limaniner (Reply 17):
Why do we say 'God', and not 'the God'?"

Getting O/T here but isn't God like a name? Put it this way, replace God with Jesus. Of course you wouldn't say the Jesus!
It's the Concorde, or it's just Concorde. Whatever way fits the sentence the best ... is best!
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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9400 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
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Quoting spencer (Reply 18):
Getting O/T here but isn't God like a name? Put it this way, replace God with Jesus. Of course you wouldn't say the Jesus!

I actually assumed that was the case with (the) Concorde, too - that it's a proper name.

~The Vik



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User currently offlineRJSampson From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

I'm sorry, but "THE CONCORDE" is just fine. Calling it "Concorde" is strictly a marketing tactic that was developed by Aérospatiale-BAC. Companies do that sort of thing all the time.

Apple insists on it, but no one pays attention. In their marketing and manuals, they ALWAYS omit "the" from iPod.

No one cares though.

And in the States, at least, "the Concorde" is just fine. In fact, talking to not-aviation types and NOT using "the" would come across as odd.


User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 10):
Possibly from the list of items many a new maintenance apprentice has been sent to the stores to collect, e.g. propwash, a long weight, a long stand, etc. I've no idea (I could end the sentence right there) where the rumour s

Lol, reminds me of a time I sent a guy off to pick up twenty yards of Flight Line. Well, about ten minutes later he came back with a bucket filled with valve stem caps, a used PRC Tube, some Canadian metal currency, two old pair of socks and a banana peel. No $h*t.

Told me, and I quote, "Parts says you'll know what to do with it."

This was the start of a prank volley that ran about three years. Ah, good old days,   ...


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting RJSampson (Reply 20):
'm sorry, but "THE CONCORDE" is just fine. Calling it "Concorde" is strictly a marketing tactic that was developed by Aérospatiale-BAC. Companies do that sort of thing all the time.

Apple insists on it, but no one pays attention. In their marketing and manuals, they ALWAYS omit "the" from iPod.

No one cares though.

And in the States, at least, "the Concorde" is just fine. In fact, talking to not-aviation types and NOT using "the" would come across as odd.

On A.NET, saying 'The Concorde' is like flying on QUANTAS...


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

It's an airplane...

It makes noise, burns gas, and flies. Call it whatever you want...


User currently offlinevc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1397 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 23):
It's an airplane...

Oh no DashTrash now you have opened up another can of worms because is it now

An AEROplane or is it An AIRplane

littlevc10   


25 Woof : It is either, but collectively they are NEVER aircrafts.
26 runner13 : Ahh pranking the newbies. My first day on the ramp, they tried to get me to get a lav air sample. I was an aviation student and knew better. But one d
27 bond007 : Actually, the last few years they converted them over to keyless entry. As long as the pilot had the key in his pocket or flight bag, he could open t
28 Post contains images YokoTsuno : One can only imagine what would happen if the pilot accidentally had his wife's B757 keyfob parked next to his Concorde, in his pocket. I must say, I
29 Viscount724 : Probably the most common error on A.net, especially by non-native English speakers, who no doubt assume that since you have one airplane and two airp
30 jetlagged : Try it with any other aircraft name. As in "I'm flying to New York on the 747". It's not grammatically correct. "I'm flying to New York on Concorde"
31 bond007 : Huh? Try again with the same example .... it would be "I'm flying to New York on 747" Are you saying that is more grammatically correct than "flying
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