zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4928 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7892 times:
Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter): Yesterday I flew from BKK to Germany on Thai Airways. The pilot said we would fly over Afghanistan. I was a bit surprised given the fact that there are still ongoing military actions.
Pretty standard, most airlines do it on that or similar routes. The US and allies control the airspace and the taleban etc doesn't have SAMs capable of hitting anything much higher than a few thousand feet...most civil aircraft are 34,000ft +
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5953 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7717 times:
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 5): Yes, but if I remember right, the DPRK only allows KE overflight of it's sea territory not over land or the sea area close to land.
Don't know all the details, but KE was flying over China between VVO & ICN and nowhere near North Korea in August 2010. Following is a description of the route flown on KE 986 on 20 Aug 2010, from the IFE route map:
Instead of turning south east or even east to give North Korea a big miss, we turned due west and crossed into China within minutes. We flew west until we were south of Jilin, then turned south west and flew over Shenyang, Dalian, Yantai and almost to Qingdao before turning due east to reach Seoul. As far as I can see we were ALWAYS in Russian, Chinese or South Korean airspace and never in international airspace and presumably under the relevant Air Defense Command surveillance the whole way. This was obviously the usual route as we landed only 7 minutes late at 1537(-2 hour time difference).
zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9602 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 7275 times:
Quoting GST (Reply 1): The altitude airliners fly at is well above anything the troops on the ground are capable of hitting, and if a diversion is required there are still neighboring countries well within reasonable range
Incorrect, terrain goes up to around 25,000 ft, shoulder launched weapons are in range of commercial traffic.
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TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 7220 times:
Are other countries also imposing rules on which airspace their planes have to avoid like the US does? Is fx. germany also prohibiting the overflight of certain areas for German registered civil aircraft?
canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 7163 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12): Most involve airlines of certain countries not allowed to over fly certain other countries with conflicting political beliefs, or more commonly - different religious beliefs.
Outside of El Al what other airlines are unable to fly of countries with different religious beliefs? Presumably, the airspace restriction is reciprocal to the arab states LY is unable to fly over. Although Royal Jordanian overflies and flies into Israel several times everyday.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6901 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 11): Incorrect, terrain goes up to around 25,000 ft, shoulder launched weapons are in range of commercial traffic.
You ever tried to lug an already busted-up stinger up a mountain to 25,000 feet on the off-chance a passing airliner MIGHT cross over your position? Me neither, but I bet it's tough. Furthermore, anything over Afghanistan is roughly halfway to wherever it's going so you're probably talking about airplanes that are closer to 40,000 feet than 34,000, particularly if there are 25,000 foot peaks anywhere nearby.
Quoting GST (Reply 1): The altitude airliners fly at is well above anything the troops on the ground are capable of hitting, and if a diversion is required there are still neighboring countries well within reasonable range.
Is not really that bad a people thinks.
Flying there since 2004 and while is far to be my favourite place, whatever is on the ground is the least of my worries.
As Wilco said, flying things that you won't see in the TCAS or high terrain around you makes us more nervous than the guys below.
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