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Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?  
User currently offlinephaetonfell From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9734 times:
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I realize how weird this question sounds even as I'm typing it, but there is actually a reason behind it.

Does anyone know if airlines consciously avoid scheduling arrivals or departures exactly at midnight?

we haven't found any yet, but rather than comb through AOG, I thought I'd tap the mindtrust.

thanks.

[Edited 2011-07-11 09:24:58]

[Edited 2011-07-11 09:25:25]

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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

I've never seen a departure scheduled right at midnight. When ever we have flights delayed to around midnight, we usually forecast them departing at 0005L, so 5 minutes. It just makes it easier for everyone involved!


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9670 times:
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I heard that somewhere in the early 1980s Jat Yugoslav Airlines used to operate their Moscow flights at 23:59. As for today I do not know.

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

I don't know if it's a rule, but as a rule of thumb nobody schedules flights at 0000L or even 0000Z for that matter (hence no 0530L in India or 0800L in SIN etc).


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

It's traditionally not done to avoid confusion......some might take midnight to mean on one day/date, others could see it as the next day/date.

User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9535 times:

AC 092 YYZ-SCL leaves 23:55.


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User currently offlineandz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9505 times:
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AF used to depart JNB at just after midnight and it was pretty confusing, because the departure date was one day later than you would think. Luckily I never flew AF (and never will) but I remember once a couple of years ago that a flight was cancelled due to a strike, I had some customers on the cancelled flight (or so I thought) but it turned out that their flight was the day BEFORE and they nearly missed it due to this midnight thing.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9491 times:

Never seen one scheduled for right at midnight, but it gets really confusing on west coast- ORD flights as a lot of redeyes depart after midnight, making it quite easy to book for the wrong date.

I would hope no airline would be dumb enough to put one right at 00:00...the way that would show up in online booking engines I'd have no idea which day it actually meant.


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9491 times:
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closest i have had a flight leave to midnight is 11:55pm lax->ord

but even in other areas you dont have events at midight, for instance midnight movies are always at 12:01, 12:05... never at 12:00am



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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9491 times:

KL 577 used to operate out of KAN to AMS with a scheduled departure time of 23.59. Indeed I have never came across a flight scheduled to depart at 0.00. Way too confusing for passengers and airline staff alike.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2888 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

I just took a look at Flightaware for JFK, it looks like nothing was scheduled exactly at midnight...but close to it:

JBU701 A320 Luis Munoz Marin Intl (TJSJ / SJU) Mon 12:19AM EDT
JBU727 A320 Rafael Hernandez (TJBQ / BQN) Mon 12:16AM EDT
EGF3831 CRJ7 Port Columbus Intl (KCMH) Mon 12:15AM EDT
SOO9815 B742 Charleston Afb/Intl (KCHS) Mon 12:07AM EDT
AEW132 B763 Boryspil Int'l (UKBB / KBP) Sun 11:58PM EDT
JBU803 A320 Gregorio Luperon Int'l (MDPP / POP) Sun 11:56PM EDT
LAN531 B763 Jorge Chavez Int'l (SPIM / LIM) Sun 11:54PM EDT
QTR84 B77W Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Sun 11:52PM EDT



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9385 times:

There are plenty of flights scheduled for times like 11:55p, 11:59p, and 12:05a. But I've never seen one at 12:00a.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 4):
to avoid confusion

seems like a very convincing reason why not.


User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

will never be done!

how many 1 day late/1 day early passengers would you like at the gate!!  



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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Tonight, FR816 Dublin to Edinburgh:

STD: 2255
STA: 0000

Regards,
Chris.



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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 3):
or even 0000Z for that matter

I'm guessing lots of flights are scheduled at 0000Z-- in the public timetables anyway.

Any objection to arrivals being scheduled at exactly midnight?


User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8995 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 12):
how many 1 day late/1 day early passengers would you like at the gate!!

Plenty of them. We used to have a 0010 flight out of LAS and every night we would have people showing up a day late for the flight. We would still accomodate them on a standby basis because we knew there were going to be "no-shows" for the current day's flight. They finally changed the departure time to 2345 and the problem went away.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 14):
Any objection to arrivals being scheduled at exactly midnight?

Any confusion as to the arrival time could be cleared up by looking at the departure time. Of course, I imagine the same logic but could be applied to departures, but then again, nobody said passengers have to be smart.



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User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8769 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):

Any confusion as to the arrival time could be cleared up by looking at the departure time. Of course, I imagine the same logic but could be applied to departures, but then again, nobody said passengers have to be smart.

Beware, logic can easily fail in situations like this. Entire 12-hour system is not very consistent.
Lets say, flight took off at 10:30AM EST and landed at 11.30AM EST. How long was the flight?
Now another flight took off at 11:30AM EST and landed at 12:30 AM EST. How long was this flight?
One may expect some similarity between these two situations...


User currently offlineWoof From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Quoting kalvado (Reply 17):
Lets say, flight took off at 10:30AM EST and landed at 11.30AM EST. How long was the flight?
Now another flight took off at 11:30AM EST and landed at 12:30 AM EST. How long was this flight?

Impossible to answer either question as you haven't given dates. The first flight is at least an hour and the second is at least 13 hours, apart from that you can't say.

Assuming the times are for a single leg then current plane limitations would make the above accurate. If it was a complete trip...

....sorry for being pedantic.

[Edited 2011-07-12 04:39:18]

User currently offlineBA6590 From UK - England, joined Jul 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8552 times:

I flew Syrian Air from Damascus to Marseille in 2009, scheduled arrival for 23:59. So pretty close to midnight.


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User currently offlinephaetonfell From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8509 times:
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This seems to confirm my suspicion, that airlines tend to avoid scheduling arrivals and, more so, departures exactly at 0000 due to confusion.

Thanks all.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 4):
to avoid confusion

seems like a very convincing reason why not.

Used to be quite common at HNL for passengers booked on flights that left just before or just after midnight (common departure times when flights stopped at HNL en route to/from SYD/AKL/NAN etc.) to get confused and show up on the wrong day for their flight, which was a bigger problem with many of those flights being less than daily. The International Date Line also added to the confusion, as a flight departing SYD on Monday but arriving HNL just before midnight would arrive on Sunday, but if the departure to the west coast after the stop was after midnight it would be Monday again, but really Tuesday if you forgot about the Date Line.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8314 times:

Just tonight, I noticed a US flight at LAX was scheduled to depart at 11:59p to PHL. Makes sense, though. Takes the confusion away as to which date the flight is taking place on.


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