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Ovens On New Narrow Bodied Jets  
User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

So I had been thinking that food ovens remained in jets from a time that we used to get proper meals in flight. However last month I went on an almost new Frontier A320 and it had an oven. The only think I could see this being used for is to warm cookies - is this right? How much weight are they carrying around just to warm some cookies?!


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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Most airlines are getting rid of ovens on their narrowbodies if they haven't already due to weight and they are going to no frills. I was taking them out of NW DC-9's when I was working for them I figure it is a sign of things to come.


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User currently offlinehal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):
How much weight are they carrying around just to warm some cookies?!

What?!? Cookies are warmed up?   Didnt know that in some cultures people eat hot cookies.
I believe ovens in narrowbodys are booming with Low Cost Carriers and have a good future there. I certainly prefer hot snacks and sandwiches at Easyjet to some blunt chocolate bar from Lufthansa!


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4396 times:

The ovens actually weight quite a lot- I have replaced quite a few of them myself in the past few years, as they're not very reliable. Actually, they are... they ARE very reliable, however, the flight attendants using them are.... not so reliable. "This one smells like fish..." Well, we don't serve fish, but we all saw you carry fish from home onboard when you got on this morning.....

Anyhow, I'd put the weight at around 45 pounds a piece.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting hal9213 (Reply 2):
What?!? Cookies are warmed up?   Didnt know that in some cultures people eat hot cookies.

Midwest (now Frontier) used to market their warm cookies as a hospitality feature. "Fresh" out-of-the-oven chocolate cookies are a big deal too US/Canadian foodies...not sure about other cultures.

Alaska also does very good business with their purchase-on-board meals and they need an oven to do the hot entrees.

Tom.


User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Anyhow, I'd put the weight at around 45 pounds a piece.

I wish Alaska had those ovens.

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):
How much weight are they carrying around just to warm some cookies?!
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Alaska also does very good business with their purchase-on-board meals and they need an oven to do the hot entrees.

In Alaska's 737's, the ovens weigh 350lbs total. One double (125lbs) oven in the fwd galley and a single (100lbs) and a double (125lbs) in the aft galley.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):
So I had been thinking that food ovens remained in jets from a time that we used to get proper meals in flight. However last month I went on an almost new Frontier A320 and it had an oven. The only think I could see this being used for is to warm cookies - is this right? How much weight are they carrying around just to warm some cookies?!

Speaking of Frontier specifically, the single oven in the aft (G5) galley on the A320s will soon be removed for weight savings. The A318s and A319s already have no aft ovens. This leaves only the two forward ovens in the G1 galley on all of the Airbuses for crew meals and occasional cookie warming. As AA737-823 mentioned, these single ovens with the rack and trays also weigh about 45lbs.

[Edited 2011-09-03 22:29:13]


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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 1):
Most airlines are getting rid of ovens on their narrowbodies if they haven't already due to weight and they are going to no frills

AC recently (over the past couple of years) ADDED ovens to the large fleet of E190's. For most airlines, the E190's fly only shorter flights, but we (AC) routinely fly them on trans-con flights (YYZ-YYJ/SEA/PDX/YLW are some of the longest), inaddition to some short sectors.

There are several "hot items" available on the Y BOB menu, plus the meals for the J cabin.

I do not know if the E175's are equipped with ovens, but everything from the E190 up to the B777 do!



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Well they need ovens to serve hot snacks, some airlines (UK Charters for example) if they don't offer a full meal service they may sell meals. But they still need the ovens for when they operate full service flights (that and it's good to have for ad-hoc flights which may require a full meal service).

But aside from all that the most important reason to have an oven onboard... The Crew Meals   *

* Providing the airline actually provides meals for the crew, I've been out of the game 3 years now so things have probably changed (and not for the better).

Phil
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User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3766 times:
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Didn't AC Jazz CRJ705s get a small warming oven lately?

I think most CRJs in Europe have ovens, as most of those have a premium cabin offering.

I work on the B737 and our ovens are used on most flights, crew meals on short flights and hot food for pax on longer flights, we have 4-6 ovens on our aircraft, and yes - they do smell like fish, even if we seldom cook fish in them  



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User currently offlinetod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Ovens will be an option in the forward and aft galleys on the MRJ.

User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

I only have experience using convection ovens onboard, but are there radiant type ovens as well? I recall seeing a video onboard a Soviet jet in the galley and the FA removed a small metal box from between two heating elements... do any other manufacturers utilize these?

Working for WN now we have NO ovens onboard... but I must say, in previous airline experience, I really miss cooking, assembling and serving meals out of the galleys. It took creativity at times, efficiency, attention to detail and speed! I always enjoyed the busy work, and the amazement that we could turn out the food we did, in the presentation we had, all out of that tiny space!



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