Looking at these flights the crew would have showed up at KCOF at approx 1100z.
The aircraft is estimating EDDP at approx 0348z.
Thats gives a duty day of just under 17 hours.
It would be highly unlikely that there was a crew change in KIAD, so that leaves operating under a dual flight crew.
A few years ago a MK Airlines B747 crashed in CYHZ as a result of crew fatigue while operating a dual crew
on a ELLX-KBDL-CYHZ-LEZG flight. How much true rest can be obtained while this aircraft is in operation?
Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?
BMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 62 Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
I recently went onto an Antonov 124 at BZZ (I loaded the damn thing) and upstairs there is plenty of living accommodation for the crew for long trips - you'd be surprised, that plane is freaking huge when you are inside - especially upstairs.
I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).
bonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 398 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2713 times:
Do the crew operate under different rules if it is a US military charter? I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.
I have been on many AN124's in the past while I worked in YQX.
I know its big, and there are crew bunks right behind the cockpit and also in the aft upstairs.
But really, other than getting a cat nap here and there if there was an accident the first thing the
authorities would look at would be crew fatigue.
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2691 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).
"Resting" and "sleeping" are two different things. It might be a large cabin area, but that alone does not mean it is always conductive to sleeping. Especially when considering time zone/circadian issues, constant noise, turbulence, other crew members moving about, etc.
airtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2634 times:
Quoting jetset (Thread starter):
Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?
Happens all the time. I did a trip last month with a four man crew that had a 22:30 duty day due to a weather deviation enroute and loading delays before that. We did LUX-RUH-DMM-HKG. It was a long day to say the least and shouldn't be done on a regular basis.
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thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2612 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2519 times:
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2): I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.
I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22059 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Quoting thegeek (Reply 6): I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?
Google "Piddle Packs" -- essentially a plastic bag filled with chemical sponge that turns into a gel like substance when mixed with urine.
There are also more complex systems including underwear equipped with relief tube, and even pump mechanism.
But some pilots simply opt to wear diapers (as astronauts do).
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JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3321 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
Are the rumors about the AN124 crew rests reeking of body odor and dirty bodies true? I heard the crews pretty much can live on the plane for weeks at a time during long missions or periods aware from base?
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COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
We had a AN-124 on an AMC Charter pass by and it has 2 full Crews so the Plane just kept going...one crew flew while the other was resting upstairs
SAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
Quoting thegeek (Reply 6):
I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?
I have a read a book about the B-2... If I can remember correctly, there is sleeping space, and a strap-in Port-a-Potty for long trips.
Maybe somebody can confirm this?
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