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AN124 Crew Duty Hours  
User currently offlinejetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3299 times:

Just wondering what is the maximun amount of crew duty time allowed for crews that operate these US Military charters?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20110902/1200Z/KCOF/KIAD

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20110902/1630Z/KIAD/EDDP

Looking at these flights the crew would have showed up at KCOF at approx 1100z.
The aircraft is estimating EDDP at approx 0348z.
Thats gives a duty day of just under 17 hours.

It would be highly unlikely that there was a crew change in KIAD, so that leaves operating under a dual flight crew.

A few years ago a MK Airlines B747 crashed in CYHZ as a result of crew fatigue while operating a dual crew
on a ELLX-KBDL-CYHZ-LEZG flight. How much true rest can be obtained while this aircraft is in operation?

Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?

Thanks
Jetset

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3250 times:

I recently went onto an Antonov 124 at BZZ (I loaded the damn thing) and upstairs there is plenty of living accommodation for the crew for long trips - you'd be surprised, that plane is freaking huge when you are inside - especially upstairs.

I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).



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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3248 times:

Do the crew operate under different rules if it is a US military charter? I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.

User currently offlinejetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):

I have been on many AN124's in the past while I worked in YQX.
I know its big, and there are crew bunks right behind the cockpit and also in the aft upstairs.

But really, other than getting a cat nap here and there if there was an accident the first thing the
authorities would look at would be crew fatigue.

Jetset


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3254 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):


I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).

"Resting" and "sleeping" are two different things. It might be a large cabin area, but that alone does not mean it is always conductive to sleeping. Especially when considering time zone/circadian issues, constant noise, turbulence, other crew members moving about, etc.



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3169 times:
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Quoting jetset (Thread starter):

Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?

Happens all the time. I did a trip last month with a four man crew that had a 22:30 duty day due to a weather deviation enroute and loading delays before that. We did LUX-RUH-DMM-HKG. It was a long day to say the least and shouldn't be done on a regular basis.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.

I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 6):
I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?

Google "Piddle Packs" -- essentially a plastic bag filled with chemical sponge that turns into a gel like substance when mixed with urine.

There are also more complex systems including underwear equipped with relief tube, and even pump mechanism.
But some pilots simply opt to wear diapers (as astronauts do).



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.

Why not more safer Caffine drinks or Coffee.



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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Are the rumors about the AN124 crew rests reeking of body odor and dirty bodies true? I heard the crews pretty much can live on the plane for weeks at a time during long missions or periods aware from base?


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User currently onlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

We had a AN-124 on an AMC Charter pass by and it has 2 full Crews so the Plane just kept going...one crew flew while the other was resting upstairs

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4720 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Why not more safer Caffine drinks or Coffee.

Taking a leak every 5 minutes doesn't really help things  



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User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 287 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 6):

I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?

I have a read a book about the B-2... If I can remember correctly, there is sleeping space, and a strap-in Port-a-Potty for long trips.
Maybe somebody can confirm this?

Regars,
Erich



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 11):

Taking a leak every 5 minutes doesn't really help things

Would coffee induce a leak every 5 minutes.....I think not.....also most Aircraft have built in toilets.......  



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