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RR Vs GE On QF - ER Aircraft

risingsunfitnes From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

I'm sorry if this has been posted before... tried searching, but to no avail.

My question is: Qantas obviously runs 744's with both RR and GE stacks... but, is it just the GE ones that have the extra tank in the back end ?

You see both at LAX, and now DFW, some exit SYD, some MEL... and usually LHR get the RR's because they re - fuel, or am i way off the mark ?

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thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Yes, all GE engines on 744ERs.

You can verify this on planespotters.net (maybe) and definitely on the PDF seat maps on Qantas' website.

And before you ask, 767s leased from BA have RRs, ones bought new have GEs.

risingsunfitnes From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Thanks for clearing that up! cheers

RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8746 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

They are usually confined to SYD-DFW, SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX, SYD-EZE and SYD-HKG. They can end up other places, but rarely LHR unless that has changed since A380s have taken over some LAX flying.

If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!

thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
They can end up other places, but rarely LHR

That's mostly to do with the premium heavy cabin config. Apparently there's lower demand for F/J on the LHR flights than the LAX flights. But with the A380 they've gotten rid of that distinction. Go figure.

rmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

The extra tank is in the forward cargo just in front of the wing spar. I think there's still one non ER GE powered 744 in the fleet.

thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting rmm (Reply 5):
I think there's still one non ER GE powered 744 in the fleet.

Correct, the one from Asiana Airlines. VH-OEB IIRC.

risingsunfitnes From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Please don't flame me here if this a stupid question,

But, so it doesn't matter fuel burn wise whether its a RR or GE, just the extra tank ?

rmm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

The GE has a better fuel burn than the Roller with or without the extra tank. The GE is also somewhat lighter as well.

wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Quoting rmm (Reply 8):

The GE has a better fuel burn than the Roller with or without the extra tank. The GE is also somewhat lighter as well.

That. And it may also be that GE has an exclusive (had I guess since you can't buy a new 744ER anymore) on that subtype the way they do on the 77W & 77L/F. Otherwise, fuel burn aside, QF may very well have stuck with RR, being that there are only 6 ERs in the fleet (and world for that matter). It can't be a very good economy of scale, I would think...

brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 9):
that there are only 6 ERs in the fleet (and world for that matter).

There may only be 6 PAX ERs, but there are a fair few more ER freighters flying around.

I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!

thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 9):
Otherwise, fuel burn aside, QF may very well have stuck with RR

I thought they couldn't obtain the -ERs with RRs?

CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

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Quoting thegeek (Reply 11):
I thought they couldn't obtain the -ERs with RRs?

As far as I'm aware, the 744ER was only offered with either PW or GE engines.

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wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3731 times:

Yes, that's what I meant. The RR was never available on the 744ER, or else they probably would have boguht them that way. I didn't know P&W was a choice though; I thoguht it was only GE...

gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Is there a 63,000 pound RR engine that would have even worked?

Edit: there isn't. The -524G/H-T is only good for 60,600 pounds. Not enough for the increased weight of the 747-400ER.

NS

[Edited 2011-09-06 18:34:01]

Shnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

I flew on two ERs recently, both GE's - OEH and then OEF.
With the 767's here's how I remember it - regos ZX* are RR's and regos OG* are GE's

Can OEB make the Texas run with the different engines?

[Edited 2011-09-07 03:24:46]

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thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting Shnoob940 (Reply 15):
Can OEB make the Texas run with the different engines?

Not with a commercial payload. Not a chance.

Shnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 16):

Ah ok. Because when I flew DFW-BNE there were serious restrictions.

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SunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 3953 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 12):
As far as I'm aware, the 744ER was only offered with either PW or GE engines.

The Boeing ACAP sheets show the RB211-524H8-7 as being available on the 744ER.

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