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Jet Engines Mounted On An Angle?  
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

Hi guys.

In the photos below of the TU-154, you can clearly see that the 2 side-mounted engines are angled so that their tailpipes are pointed inward toward the fuselage. Why is this done? Is it for aerodynamic reasons that involve the direction of engine thrust, such as directional stability? Could it be for mechanical reasons?


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In these photos of B-727s, the side mounted engines appear to be on an angle as well. However, these 727 photos don't show this feature as clear.

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Also, do any airliners that have only wing mounted engines such as the 747, 777, A320, A340 etc, have their engines mounted on an angle? Or even an L-1011 or DC-10...are their wing mounted engines on an angle?

I find this very interesting.

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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
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The Inbd engines of the 747 are canted in 3 degs to pick up the "bow wave"

User currently offlineMandargb From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Actually it has always appeared to me that on MD-80 series; engines are not horizontal

Is it true that the engine axis (front center to rear center of the engone) is not parallel to ground (of course when plane is stationary) for MD 80 series?

Thanks in advance


User currently offlineA330-243 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Have a look at the angle of 747 engines in this photo. Just as VC-10 states above.


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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

Hi guys. Thanks for your replies.

>VC-10, like always, you are a great source of info. OK, the inboard engines of a 747 are canted 3 degrees in order to catch the "Bow Wave". I suspect you mean the "front" of the engines are angled inward because a bow wave sounds like a wave of airflow which would be flowing rearward off the nose. Could I be correct? And if so...are the inboard engines set up differently than the outboard ones, because of this bow wave?

Here's a cool pix showing a 747's profile from below. You can almost see the 3 degress...I think.

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>Mandargb, I believe you are "right on the money" regarding your observations of the horizontal angle of the engines on MD-80's It looks to me like the front of the engines are angled upward a few degrees.

Here's some photos that clearly show the different angle between the fuselage and the engines.

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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Hi guys. Well, Thanks to A330-243's photo that he posted, I can see that the inboard engines on a 747 are not canted 3 degrees inboard, but rather 3 degrees "downward".

This Bow Wave must be pretty important!

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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6039 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

I have read this somewhere else, but the reason why the the engines on the 727, and Dc-9 series are angled upwards is so that the intake does not get the spoiled air off the wings, when at a relatively high AoA.


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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

The CRJs are canted inward very slightly also, was told this is to help with single engine control, limits the yaw.

User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

Hi CV640.

I had a feeling the engines were canted inward for aerodynamic reasons such as directional stability (around the vertical axis).

In the photos below of some CRJs, you can see that the engines are indeed canted inward just a little. It also appears that they are angled horizontally so that the intake is a bit higher than the exhaust.

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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6158 times:
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Looking at my course notes both the inbd & otbd 747 nacelles are canted in 2 degs to pick up the bow wave.

On the VC10 in an effort to reduce the unexpectedy high drag encountered during flight testing, the Super VC10 engine nacelles were attached to the fuslage at a 3 deg nose up angle and the stub wing span increased to get the inbd engine intakes out of the 11 inch thick boundary layer in that area.


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Hi VC-10

Thanks for your info. Once again you've mentioned the "bow wave". What exactly is the bow wave? Also, why is it so important for the engine intakes to catch this wave?

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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6124 times:
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You know the wave generated in the water by the bow of a boat, well the a/c nose also generates a similar wave. By angleing the a/c engines just right you can collect it for extra ram effect.

User currently offlineTimT From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Here's another tidbit-- the DC-10 likes to fly between 3 and 5 degrees nose up. Not sure about the others, but I suspect the same thing. If that's the case, the engineering department canted the engines so they are "square" to the airflow. I know that on a ground runup, it's a really bad idea to pull high power without being pointed into the wind. Makes exciting things happen. (including getting yelled at)

User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

One more tidbit you you guy that are interested in Learjets. On all but the earliest tip-tanked models the tip tanks are canted downward 3 degrees (as I remember) to keep them square with the world during crusing flight at altitude. One of the explinations that I remember from one of my type rating ground schools regarding the outward canting of the engines (as seen from the front) was to minimize the rudder forces required in the case of engine loss. Whether or not that's a valid reason, I honestly don't know but it sounds good and does make some sense. It's common to mount the engines on larger sengle-engine aircraft with a significant cant. Next time you get a chance go look at a late model Bonanza. It will really surprise you. You'd think the airplane would fly sideways through the air.  Big grin

User currently offlineFlyChicaga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

On the L1011, the #2 engine (on top of fuselage) is tilted 12 degrees down. This is because if there is a loss of pitch control the engine can better be used to in effect "pitch" the aircraft.

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