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New Kind Of Exit Sign  
User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

I was just flicking through some photos here and came across this cabin photo of a Adria Airways A319
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Adria...d=d2129dccb1db68d32e783587aa9fc6cb

The picture shows that the traditional EXIT-signs have been replaced with running man-signs. Just wondering if this is specific only to Adria or will this become a norm? I know the 787 has similar signs as well. Nevertheless I think this will make them universally easier to understand.

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

I've seen signs like that on a variety of aircraft, usually Airbus, operated by airlines in non-English-speaking countries.

User currently offlinestar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

The green sign is the ISO standard. See here for some background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_sign

User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3096 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting Lucce (Thread starter):
The picture shows that the traditional EXIT-signs have been replaced with running man-signs. Just wondering if this is specific only to Adria or will this become a norm? I know the 787 has similar signs as well. Nevertheless I think this will make them universally easier to understand.

Thoughts?

Would someone urgently in need of a visit to the washroom, think that it indicates the way to the lav? 

Just jokin'.....I'm sure it makes a lot of sense to have a universal sign like that, which all can understand.....


User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

There are quite a few interesting articles around discussing the big difference between European and North American signage (in general, not aviation specific) In essence European signing is very much pictogram based while North American signing is much more text-based.
In Emergency exit signs there's also the big difference in that they are green colored everywhere here but almost always red in North America. Something to do with theories of green being a 'save colour' that people will follow when in danger against red being a warning color that will see quicker in danger. Sorry pretty lame summary and couldn't find an link quickly but have a look online if you're interested

IM

edit.. found something! http://www.slate.com/id/2246107/

[Edited 2011-09-23 09:41:35]

User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3096 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 4):
Something to do with theories of green being a 'save colour' that people will follow when in danger against red being a warning color that will see quicker in danger. Sorry pretty lame summary and couldn't find an link quickly but have a look online if you're interested

I personally think the European practice of pictures is better than the text system.....Europe has so many languages to deal with and that possibly is the reason they have adopted the pictograms....

On the color, I do feel that red would be more appropriate for the Exit signs.....green is a sort of passive color and not one that catches attention in a way that people are alerted to the sign.....

Just my 2c.....


User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 5):
On the color, I do feel that red would be more appropriate for the Exit signs.....green is a sort of passive color and not one that catches attention in a way that people are alerted to the sign.....

Apparently, according to people who study these things, red alerts people in the 'wrong' way. That is: Red signals 'stop' and 'Danger' almost universally, while green signals 'Go' and 'safety' which is why it is presumed better and is the ISO standard. Don't know. I'm more used to the European kind, and as to which one would work better for me, I hope never to find out!  


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Admittedly, I don't remember ever seeing this sign on an aeroplane before... just the usual red-on-white lettering!

Can anyone supply other pictures of it on a plane?


User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 5):
On the color, I do feel that red would be more appropriate for the Exit signs.....green is a sort of passive color and not one that catches attention in a way that people are alerted to the sign.....



I believe that colour blind people can not discern red well ....



I love to fly, and it shows!
User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

Hi,

Looking at cabin pictures of other ANA and Adria aircraft, they carry the typical 'EXIT' signage so perhaps this is new?

Kind Regards
ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineFriendlySkiesUK From UK - England, joined Jul 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

I thought the Boeing 787 was going with the standard EU exit signing? Green with person running etc... Is this correct?


Katie
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21520 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 6):
Apparently, according to people who study these things, red alerts people in the 'wrong' way. That is: Red signals 'stop' and 'Danger' almost universally, while green signals 'Go' and 'safety' which is why it is presumed better and is the ISO standard.

While that makes a lot of sense, it doesn't account for the fact that people in the US have been trained pretty much since birth that exit signs are red. I could easily see people getting confused and perhaps even passing up a green sign in search of a red one.

It makes sense to have one standard, but it's very difficult to get there from where we are now.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineMarkhkg From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Quoting FriendlySkiesUK (Reply 10):

I thought the Boeing 787 was going with the standard EU exit signing? Green with person running etc... Is this correct?

You're correct. This actually required revision of FAA regulations to allow for the green "running man" sign on Boeing aircraft. My understanding is that cabin crew will probably need to make an announcement (or state on the pre-recorded video) that "Emergency exits are marked with green signs" or something to that effect as part of the required briefing.

This was discussed briefly on another thread:
Red Lights For Exit (by macsog6 Oct 24 2010 in Tech Ops)



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User currently offlineLucce From Finland, joined Jun 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 9):
Looking at cabin pictures of other ANA and Adria aircraft, they carry the typical 'EXIT' signage so perhaps this is new?

That's what I thought. I guess the EUR-OPS are not as specific about the type of exit sign as FARs are.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
While that makes a lot of sense, it doesn't account for the fact that people in the US have been trained pretty much since birth that exit signs are red. I could easily see people getting confused and perhaps even passing up a green sign in search of a red one.

It makes sense to have one standard, but it's very difficult to get there from where we are now.

Well it's kind of like the metric system vs imperial measures thing according to wikipedia: pretty much everyone else is using the green signs. That's why I would like to see the signs to changed on the ground first in North America if they're going to change them to be consistent.

How ever it's not such a big deal since people in Europe now have to do exactly the same, just other way around. And not everyone even translates them to the carriers language: I've been told since before I knew any English "Tässä koneessa on kahdeksan uloskäyntiä, jotka kaikki ovat merkitty EXIT-kyltein". I have to say that if the new signs become standard I'll miss that phrase...


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting Markhkg (Reply 12):
My understanding is that cabin crew will probably need to make an announcement (or state on the pre-recorded video) that "Emergency exits are marked with green signs" or something to that effect as part of the required briefing.

Well, just a variation of what is now said - that the emergency exits are marked with sign "EXIT". But i like the word "IŠEJIMAS" the best, I think it is in lithuanian.



The light at the end of tunnel turn out to be a lighted sing saying NO EXIT
User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
While that makes a lot of sense, it doesn't account for the fact that people in the US have been trained pretty much since birth that exit signs are red. I could easily see people getting confused and perhaps even passing up a green sign in search of a red one.

It makes sense to have one standard, but it's very difficult to get there from where we are now.

I think we've had this conversation before but....

One thing that is consistent across the world (I think), is that red almost always means 'STOP'. The stop button is usually red, stop light red... green light means OK, go, red light means alert/problem,stop. This where I find the US system of red lights 'leading to the exit' a little inconsistent. To most of the world (and even the US), seeing a row of red lights would normally mean caution, stop, danger ... NOT that you need to actually follow them to exit safely. Taxiway lead-off lights are green, green/yellow ... to follow!


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21520 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 15):
This where I find the US system of red lights 'leading to the exit' a little inconsistent.

It's very inconsistent, yes. But it's been the US standard for a long time, and people are used to it, so the inconsistency doesn't matter all that much when you're talking about people in the US.

I have no problem admitting it - if I were in a smoke-filled area, I would be looking for red lights before green lights, because my mind has been trained to associate red lights with an exit, even though pretty much every other application of red lights would indicate something to stay away from. It's what I'm used to, and it would not be easy to change the wiring in my brain, even if what it was changed to made more sense from a color symbology standpoint.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 4855 times:

Makes sense to use symbols rather than multiple languages.....


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
and people are used to it, so the inconsistency doesn't matter all that much when you're talking about people in the US.

I have no problem admitting it - if I were in a smoke-filled area, I would be looking for red lights before green lights, because my mind has been trained to associate red lights with an exit, even though pretty much every other application of red lights would indicate something to stay away from.

Most people aren't used to it, except those that fly regularly. It would be interesting to see what would actually happen in a situation where you really don't have time to think whether red means danger or not.

Of course, there is no data to suggest that passengers did the right, or wrong thing in an emergency, based upon the color of the light, and I understand that red lights are far more visible than green. You are basically following lights (of any color) to an exit.

Quoting Lucce (Reply 13):
That's why I would like to see the signs to changed on the ground first in North America

It is in some states. Again, a weird inconsistency that is allowed at a state level. In Maryland, exit signs are green!

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21520 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 18):
Most people aren't used to it, except those that fly regularly.

You don't even have to fly regularly, as most exit signs in buildings are red.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
You don't even have to fly regularly, as most exit signs in buildings are red.

I was referring to the red floor lights leading to the exit. I don't have an issue with the sign itself, just the fact that a line of red lights doesn't usually signal something you should follow or cross.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Path should be indicated in Green Not Red.....People are tuned to avoid red & follow Green.


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinehal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Consistent or inconsistent, I think, its experience and habits what counts in the end. I remember my first time in the US, searching for an exit (non-emergency): It took the typical 2 seconds looking at "EXIT" to realise, that thats what I was actually looking for.
It also reminds me of the aircondition in my hotel room, guessing how much Fahrenheit I would be comfortable with ("Mmh, 60 sounds a lot!! uh my god, why am I freezing..."), or what the hell the warning "No hard shoulder for 200 yards" in the UK meant  

Still, in this world becoming more and more global, especially in international aviation, in the long run, everybody should work towards a global standard. No matter if it takes 5 or 15 years for people to get used to new signs, it will definately make the world easier for a later generation of people.
Imagine Airbus showing meters for altitude and km/h for speed  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting hal9213 (Reply 22):
Still, in this world becoming more and more global, especially in international aviation,

And one wonders WHY Domestic ATC still speak in regional languages & NOT English.....  



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineflyerboy1990 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):

Well said. I feel this was too.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 23):

Haha! Whatever...



Flown in: 712, 722, 73G, 738, 752, DC10, CR2, CR9, A319, A320 Want to fly in: A330, 767, 777, MD80, E170 series
25 bond007 : Agreed, but there is little 'experience or habits' in following red lights to anywhere safe, unless you are a frequent flyer and used to being told t
26 hal9213 : I rather meant the exit signs, which you will also encounter in day to day life. However, in an aircraft emergency, I think you will instinctively kn
27 Post contains images Starlionblue : The average sheeple will be happy to prove you wrong.
28 Post contains links and images Markhkg : I believe evacuation research suggests that most passengers will attempt to go to the door to which they entered through. Which is why we have flight
29 Post contains images HAWK21M : Ever wondered why most Injuries occur in Emergency evacuations......Because people arn't used to it & some cant leave their bags behind.
30 Mir : But then you have the issue of having green lights and red exit signs. -Mir
31 bond007 : OK, but that IS what most folks are familiar with ... exits signs are red (which I expect historically also came from visibilty), and green means go,
32 Starlionblue : A nitpick here. It is not really what most folks are familiar with. It is what most Americans are familiar with.
33 Post contains images bond007 : OK, but even more to my point Jimbo
34 Post contains images HAWK21M : If one shows you a red streak of arrows & green streak of arrows on the floor.....which route are you likely to take
35 bond007 : But I think the point is that I might not be able to see the green ones! Jimbo
36 HAWK21M : Why not if the green is reflective green...it works fine.
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