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User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 850 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Ok watch this first;
(Plane lands on pickup truck)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyJLtJjfqE

Now lets pick it to pieces.

Ok # 1, the spoilers are deployed before touchdown
# 2, there shouldn't be any tyre smoke when the nosewheel hits the truck bed
# 3, the truck rear suspension doesn't dip on touchdown (as if taking the load)
# 4, the real top speed of the truck is probably lower than the landing speed of the jet; 120-130mph?
# 5, the weight on the nosewheel of the plane is probably more than the payload of the truck?
# 6, rollout is too short.
# 7, camera incorrectly cuts from runway straight to taxiway at the end.

But apart from those minor technical admonitions, who thinks this is actually possible? Remind me of the footage of the Cessna which had help from a speeding vehicle on the runway to lock down its gear, and also of the diabolical 'flight 405' viral vid.


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
who thinks this is actually possible?

No one does. Not even Nissan. Or no one ought to. The ad is clearly tongue-in-cheek. Of course, since some viewers will be stupid, the Nissan lawyers insisted on an explicit ‘Fictionalization. Do not attempt.’ disclaimer.



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User currently offlineRJSampson From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Oh come on, WestWing, of course no one thinks this is actually possible, but let's have some fun, as the OP suggested! My take:

#1: Yeah, bad idea. *COULD HAVE* slammed the nose gear into the flatbed.... but that will bring us later to #6....
#2: No, there most definitely would have been tire smoke. The plane was equipped with those a.nut spin-up devices to save tread.
#3: Totally plausible. The pilot set it down easy. There was still enough lift.
#4: Nah, Nissan was smart enough to remove the speed governor.
#5: Yeah, probably.
#6: But see, now you bring it full circle: THAT'S why they deployed the spoilers!
#7: OK, but you know, Hollywood and all... and now I'm sounding like a moron.

So even thought this LOOKS like CGI.... who knows?


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
Now lets pick it to pieces.

Why would anyone waste any time in doing so? Several years ago, there was a Toyota truck commercial where a truck is directly hit by a comet is hurtling towards the earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTlB-J8Ff5o
Would anyone dissect the facts of a comet hitting the earth?



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User currently onlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1608 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

On a side note, they filmed the scenes at ONT. That 727 is always up to something it seems.


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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
7, camera incorrectly cuts from runway straight to taxiway at the end.

No if you look the pilot did a Delta- he or she landed on a Taxiway.



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User currently offlineflightmedic72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

In December of 1983, a JAL 747 landed on a pickup truck while landing in foggy conditions at Anchorage International Airport. The left main landing gear settled into the back of the pickup and destroyed it. The driver was severely injured. Ripped a 30 foot gash in the side of the plane. If I remember correctly, the 747 lost at least two tires and a portion of the strut assembly.

[Edited 2011-10-04 12:23:09]

[Edited 2011-10-04 12:23:39]

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 1):
No one does. Not even Nissan. Or no one ought to. The ad is clearly tongue-in-cheek. Of course, since some viewers will be stupid, the Nissan lawyers insisted on an explicit ‘Fictionalization. Do not attempt.’ disclaimer.

Which begs the question... what pilot rated for a 727 would attempt that?

and what have they done the nose of that plane?


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
120-130mph?

Most cars these days can hit 120mph without much of a problem.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Why would anyone waste any time in doing so? Several years ago, there was a Toyota truck commercial where a truck is directly hit by a comet is hurtling towards the earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTlB-J8Ff5o
Would anyone dissect the facts of a comet hitting the earth?

Well that was a meteor not a comet. But come on this is just for fun  If this was astronomers.net maybe they would.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 5):
No if you look the pilot did a Delta- he or she landed on a Taxiway.

Thats what is looks like



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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I'd like to see the real results of a 120,000lb aircraft landing on a half-ton truck. Just like the damage to the front end of the same truck after it rams into a dune buggy from behind like it does in the other "dramatization".


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

This topic almost begs for it...

Here it goes... http://youtu.be/tKg5-asGRHY

Okay, not exactly a pickup, but a Jeep Grand Cherokee is built on a truck chassis...

And I have seen video of mechanics in pickups and Jeeps going down the runway top speed next to GA planes with stuck landing gear...sometimes successful!



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User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 850 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Why would anyone waste any time in doing so?

I dunno, for fun, maybe? Terribly sorry to waste your time...



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 2, there shouldn't be any tyre smoke when the nosewheel hits the truck bed

The smoke is actually coming from the truck's tires, not the airplane's. The truck skids as the plane hits it (somewhat realistically, at least - I think it's a nice touch that adds a little believability).

Your other points are true, though.

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 5, the weight on the nosewheel of the plane is probably more than the payload of the truck?

The nosewheel itself almost definitely weighs less than the max payload of the truck. However, the forward section of the plane weighs many tons more, and would crush the suspension on that truck like a bug. It'd be like an ant trying to support the full weight of your boot, with your leg attached to it.



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User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 7):
and what have they done the nose of that plane?

I noticed that too...but I guess I was just too baffled by the presense of two passenger 727s in the commercial.

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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
Most cars these days can hit 120mph without much of a problem.

Actually the top speed of a car or truck (since he mid 80's) has been determined by the speed rating of the tires installed at the factory! The most likely tire to be installed on a Nissan pick-up would be an "R" rated tire good up to 106 mph. The engine controller should shut off the at that speed.

The majority of passenger cars are equipped with "T" rated tire rated at 118 mph.


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2453 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

This would make a good episode of Top Gear (UK.).... the Stig could drive the pickup.


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
This topic almost begs for it...

Here it goes... http://youtu.be/tKg5-asGRHY

A jeep able to with hold a DC-10...seems legit but my question is with that video is how can an airplane land on a intercity highway. Wouldn't damage occur to the plane from overhead signs, lights and bridges....?



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

This is what happens when a plane and truck meet:



(yes, that is actually legit)

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
..seems legit


[Edited 2011-10-05 16:34:41]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
A jeep able to with hold a DC-10...seems legit but my question is with that video is how can an airplane land on a intercity highway. Wouldn't damage occur to the plane from overhead signs, lights and bridges....?

Shhh...don't take all the fun out of it  



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Shhh...don't take all the fun out of it  

I went to film school, they trained us to take the fun out of everything haha



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 4, the real top speed of the truck is probably lower than the landing speed of the jet; 120-130mph?

I beg to differ - the truck is driving on a conveyor belt, and there's a huge fan at the end of the runway to lower the airplane's ground speed.

  



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Conveyor belt?

but... but...




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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 20):
beg to differ - the truck is driving on a conveyor belt, and there's a huge fan at the end of the runway to lower the airplane's ground speed

Just when you start to believe the skeptics and that there really is no way to make the conveyor belt work, someone comes along with a new and different approach that makes perfect sense.
You don't have me convinced about the fan yet though.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 12):
The nosewheel itself almost definitely weighs less than the max payload of the truck. However, the forward section of the plane weighs many tons more, and would crush the suspension on that truck like a bug. It'd be like an ant trying to support the full weight of your boot, with your leg attached to it.

Normally I would agree with you, but you forgot about the new technology licensed from WS to reduce the weight of the aircraft.
www.westjet.com/guest/en/media-investors/helium.shtml



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 22):
www.westjet.com/guest/en/media-inves...shtml

                 

For a minute I thought they were dead serious 


User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 22):

Just when you start to believe the skeptics and that there really is no way to make the conveyor belt work, someone comes along with a new and different approach that makes perfect sense.
You don't have me convinced about the fan yet though.

Oh crap, it actually works!  How about putting a conveyor belt on the back of the truck then?

  



"There is an art, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
25 my235 : The graphics are dreadful in the clip. IMO if your going to spend as much money as a commercial costs, why not get the details right. Consult a person
26 bristolflyer : I didn't know he was in the aviation field. I guess that might explain who Pontius Pilate (sp) was?[Edited 2011-10-10 10:26:21]
27 working2gether : I would love to see Mythbusters do this. Even though it's fake I would still love to see them try it out.
28 Fly2HMO : Yeah good luck with the FAA approving that.
29 Post contains links hal9213 : I am surprised no one brought up these clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rELFSGei3hE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj_0QYzMjek http://www.youtube
30 airportkid : What's with the application of full down elevator as the mains touchdown? Force the nose down onto the pickup? What's the chance a real 727 was flown
31 Post contains images my235 : Pilate always got my attention in sunday school just because of his name. Very good one though. But really, the video was dreadfully don't. FS2004/FSX
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