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Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6380 posts, RR: 17
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Wondering if we can identify all the airline ramp towers across the USA.
What airline, if any, currently uses them, or/and what airline originally used them.

LGA
I wonder if this airport has the most. Looking at some of my old photographs, there is one on AA, UA and TW concourses of CTB. Not sure about Eastern concourse, but given the size of their operation, I'd guess yes. One on top os US terminal, one on top of US Shuttle terminal and one on top of DL terminal. Not sure about Marine Air Terminal.

MCO
One on top of airside 1 which originally was for Eastern. Airside 2, looking at an old 90s photo, I didn't see one, which surprises me, thats where DL was. Airside 4 has one. Airside 3?????

TPA
None that I am aware about.

MIA
I think it is gone now, but didn't Eastern have one between B and C?


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

PHX
On top of concourse A on Terminal 4, former HP, now US



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User currently onlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

The tallest must be AA's at DFW. One would think IT is the control tower.

User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Two at CLE for CO, one on C concourse and one D concourse


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

SFO

A Tower on the south ramp/ All A concourse users and AS/QX/FL/WN

D Tower controlling the SkyWest/UA ramp and from gates 63-78A

G Tower covering north ramp/ All G concourse users and UA/OO



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24798 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

LAX we have multiple ones.

Alaska - D10 alley
America - C10 alley
Delta - C8/C9 alley
United - C6/C7 alley

Others off the top of my head not mentioned:

IAD - covers the midfield ramp run by MWAA
DEN - B concourse gates by UA, A concourse by City of Denver
ORD - UA and AA.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1624 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5299 times:

Quoting william (Reply 2):
The tallest must be AA's at DFW. One would think IT is the control tower.

I've been up in that cab, and it is indeed impressive. The tower provides quite a view.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

IAH north and south ends of C concourses.

EWR the C concourse

Quoting cle757 (Reply 3):
Two at CLE for CO, one on C concourse and one D concourse

I thought they stopped using the D concourse tower a few years ago?


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1519 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

CLT has one over the main concourse for all the USAir stuff. I'm not sure if A Concourse calls for push or not, but I'm betting they do on the south side at least.

Not sure where IAD's is, but it's there. PHL has multiple. F Terminal's is attached to it.


User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3144 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 8):
Not sure where IAD's is, but it's there.

Right in the middle of the C/D concourse.



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1206 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

ATL has a couple of them... not sure of exact locations.


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User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
MCO
One on top of airside 1 which originally was for Eastern. Airside 2, looking at an old 90s photo, I didn't see one, which surprises me, thats where DL was. Airside 4 has one. Airside 3?????



There is a "tower" on Airside 1 that is not used for Ramp Control any more. AA uses it for their OPS office . Only Airside 4 has an active Ramp Tower (DL) but only controls DL and DL handled international flights.


User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2264 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

The D tower at CLE has been unused for a few years. Everything is run over from the C ramp tower via cameras.


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User currently offlinerampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 13):
The D tower at CLE has been unused for a few years. Everything is run over from the C ramp tower via cameras.

Although you are correct that all ramp control and operations functions are now done in the C tower (with the help of cameras,) the D tower is not deserted. XJT maintenance coordinators have a station up there as do online baggage coordinators and fueling coordinators.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2264 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Ah forgot about them. Did Commutair ever move out of the base?

ATCT



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4387 times:

In DFW, AA has the tall ramp tower between Terminals A and C, as well as a separate tower for Terminal D. Eagle's Ops tower is in Terminal A, coincidentally.


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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

SEA has a tower over the center of the terminal, basically right behind the food court. Two ramp frequencies. Cargo/North Ramp and South Ramp

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
DEN - B concourse gates by UA, A concourse by City of Denver

C concourse is also ramp controlled at DEN, but I don't know where they sit since there isn't a tower on top of the concourse. Are they maybe in the ATC Tower?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9489 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?
If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

One example is UA at ORD. UA ramp control is responsible for the alley between C and B gates. UA has priority for this area and gives priority to its own aircraft. If another airline wants to taxi in the alley (for example if DL wanted a short cut through the alley to get to its Terminal 2 gates), they have to call up United ramp control to get approval to enter the area and move. They typically will allow if it is not during the departure banks and it is quiet, but during the arrival and departure banks, they will not allow other airlines through as it would effect UA's operation. Other airlines have to go around and stay on ORD frequencies.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 17):
SEA has a tower over the center of the terminal, basically right behind the food court. Two ramp frequencies. Cargo/North Ramp and South Ramp

Ramp at SEA is not airline specific. The tower is staffed by 1 or 2 Port of Seattle employees depending on time of day. North is United, United Express, Air Canada, Alaska and most of Horizon. South has everything else. SEA needs ramp control since if airlines had their choice, there would be a lot of planes ending up nose to nose around the satellites.



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User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

DTW has one on top of the McNamara terminal by the hotel. A private Air Traffic Control company staffs it.


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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
IAD - covers the midfield ramp run by MWAA

I did not know that MWAA ran the mid-filed tower, but it makes sense.

This may be a rather unique situation because the midfield ramp effectivly cuts the airport in two. As a part 91 operator, if I need to go from Signature to 1C/19C, there is no way to avoid the mid-filed ramp.

Are there any other ramps that cut off a runway?



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User currently offlinerampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting atct (Reply 15):
Ah forgot about them. Did Commutair ever move out of the base?

No...CommutAir is still going strong here with both the Dash 8 200's and -300's. They also have a crew room downstairs in the D concourse, and collect their flight papers from the Continental (err...United) weather room, also on the ground floor.

CommutAir also has a maintenance hangar at the northeast side of the field where they prepped the -300's for service: http://www.opshots.net/gallery2/index.php?page=photos&id=27286

The CO ramp tower handles the south side of the B concourse and the entire C and D concourses, controlling CommutAir, Gulfstream, Colgan, ExpressJet...(basically all the connection carriers of UA/CO), as well as AC Jazz and some Delta.


User currently offlineARFFdude From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

It depends on the airport. Atlanta, for example, has six ramps. Ramps 1 and 2 are controlled by Delta, ramps 3, 4, 5, & 6 are controlled by the company I used to work for. I imagine Delta aircraft would take priority on their ramps, but I don't know for certain. I didn't work for an airline, so I didn't have any loyalties as far forcing someone to take a delay.

Every now and then a pilot or someone from ops would get really upset that the ramp was clogged and they couldn't get out, and they'd eventually shout that "WELL I'LL MAKE SURE THIS DELAY GETS CHARGED TO THE RAMP!" I guess maybe they're used to going to airports where their personnel control the ramps, but that couldn't mean less to me.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

At PHL there are Three ramp towers that I know of. The one on top of the F gates, which controls movements around the F gates, as well as WN pushbacks from the Odd numbered E gates. This one is staffed by Piedmont employees. I have been in that tower before, and there are typically four ops people, two handle requests from each inbound and outbound flights, another person acts as the ramp controller, and the operation is overseen by a supervisor who typically deals with gate assignments and acting as the liason between PHL and the express carriers SOC's. When PHL is on an East operation, a lot of 9R arrivals will be talking to the F ramp controller after they have crossed 9L, as the ramp controllers control taxiway J (F tower controls between spots 12 and 15. There is also one employee from the fuel company stationed in the tower as well, and they ensure that the correct planes are fueled to the correct level, as well as notifying the operating carrier if the plane is overfueled. (Usually caused by a last minute equipment swap)

A second ramp control is above the D gates. I am not sure who runs it (My guess is United), and it controls J from spots 9-11, and the pushbacks from the Even numbered E gates and the odd numbered D gates.

The third ramp controls is staffed by USAirways, and it controls all of J west of spot 8, as well as all ramp movements in that area. The tower there is similar functionally to the F tower in other areas as well.

I can't speak for other airports though, as I don't know how they work.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
A second ramp control is above the D gates. I am not sure who runs it (My guess is United), and it controls J from spots 9-11, and the pushbacks from the Even numbered E gates and the odd numbered D gates.

The third ramp controls is staffed by USAirways, and it controls all of J west of spot 8, as well as all ramp movements in that area. The tower there is similar functionally to the F tower in other areas as well.

I can't speak for other airports though, as I don't know how they work.

Actually Ramp 2 - Spot 11 to Spot 8 is up in the US Mainline Ramp Tower and stands right next to Ramp 1 Spot 8 to Spot 1.

So there is just 2 operational Ramp Towers in PHL. 1 at F operated by Piedmont and 1 at A-West operated by US Mainline.


25 apodino : Thanks for the clarification, I knew there were three ramp spots, I just didn't know where the towers were. I assumed there was one in D, but what yo
26 loggat : That's not true at all. Although United does operate the ramp, they do not prioritize any one airline over another. Unless it's a dead time, all traf
27 BigSaabowski : ATL has 3 ramp towers and 6 ramp frequencies. The A Concourse tower is staffed by Delta, while the C and E Concourse towers are staffed by TBI. ....oo
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