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Customs Procedures For Aircraft  
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Not sure if this has been discussed before, I couldnt' find anything so Mods if it has please delete.

When we come in on the C-5 from an international base like ETAR, we are not allowed to deplane nor open any doors except to deplane the scanner until CBP has cleared both the crew and the airplane. Yet when I was on a flight from FRA-ATL a while back, we deplaned as normal and made our way to Customs. Does the airplane and/or cargo itself have to be cleared/checked before anything happens? Do pax not see it or do they deplane before Customs boards?


"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

The procedure depends upon the staffing and facilities at the arrival airport.

Commercial airports with full CBP staffs and separatation capability - pax deplane quickly and go into a sterile area to clear Customs and Immigration.

Airports without full CBP staffs and separation capability, like military airports, pax and crew have to wait until CBP arrives at the aircraft.

Travis AFB and McGuire AFB used to have full CBP separation facilities like a commercial airport for arriving passengers, back when almost all military would depart/ arrive at those airports. As much as 8 to 12 full DC-8/B707 flights per day (1,500 to 2,500 pax daily).

I don't think the military maintains that level of expense any longer.


User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
scanner

Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I read this in a C-5 document..

What is the scanner position? What does he do?

Regards,

Erich



On-board Direction Consultant
User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 2):
What is the scanner position? What does he do?

What the scanner does is conduct outside preflight inspections, clears the aircraft for ground clearance prior to taxi and boards the airplane. He watches the engines during start for any abnormalities, then once boarded conducts an interior inspection for any abnormalities. After block in, he deplanes first and conducts any clearance checks prior to engine shutdown. In flight, if there is a mx issue or something out of the norm, he goes and checks what may be wrong and reports back to the pilot. That's it in a nutshell.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 3):

Wow, that actually sounds like the best job in the USAF.


User currently offlinec5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 4):

Well that's just a few things, scanners are still flight engineers they just rotate between being at the panel and pulling scanner duty.



"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
User currently offlinerolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
When we come in on the C-5 from an international base like ETAR, we are not allowed to deplane nor open any doors except to deplane the scanner until CBP has cleared both the crew and the airplane.

I don't know about that... back in 1994 I flew from FRA to MBA and back again two months later, on C-5s each way, and we were never met by customs either way or had any kind of arrival screening. That includes during the refueling stop at CAI, where we were milling about next to the taxis while they loaded fuel. I don't know where the ball was dropped or if that's business as usual, but that's what I saw.


User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 281 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 3):

What the scanner does is conduct outside preflight inspections, clears the aircraft for ground clearance prior to taxi and boards the airplane. He watches the engines during start for any abnormalities, then once boarded conducts an interior inspection for any abnormalities. After block in, he deplanes first and conducts any clearance checks prior to engine shutdown. In flight, if there is a mx issue or something out of the norm, he goes and checks what may be wrong and reports back to the pilot. That's it in a nutshell.

Oh ok thanks!

We just use a loadmaster for that duties.

Cheers,

Erich



On-board Direction Consultant
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
When we come in on the C-5 from an international base like ETAR, we are not allowed to deplane nor open any doors except to deplane the scanner until CBP has cleared both the crew and the airplane. Yet when I was on a flight from FRA-ATL a while back, we deplaned as normal and made our way to Customs. Does the airplane and/or cargo itself have to be cleared/checked before anything happens? Do pax not see it or do they deplane before Customs boards?

I can't speak about commercial flights, because I don't know, but in GA realms, you are required to taxi the aircraft to the "Customs circle", and you are not allowed to exit the aircraft until US Customs says it's okay to do so. And I have flown into ELP when we've gotten "lost" on the ramp (our little Cessna towered over by cargo Convairs, DC-3's and 727s). I remember calling the tower once and requesting a landline to Customs because we had been baking in the sun for an hour, hidden by bigger birds (pre cell-phone days).



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting c5load (Reply 5):

Well that's just a few things, scanners are still flight engineers they just rotate between being at the panel and pulling scanner duty.

Still sounds awesome. Especially considering it's the only place (USAF) where you can fly on a FRED.


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