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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quick question about crew scheduling. On airlines that fly to both Israel and countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, and I'm sure a few others, how do airlines keep track of crew scheduling? Do they mandate that their crews maintain multiple passports? Do they keep a separate roster for crews flying to Israel to ensure they do not get assigned another route? Any insight is appreciated!

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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting luckyone (Thread starter):
Quick question about crew scheduling. On airlines that fly to both Israel and countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, and I'm sure a few others, how do airlines keep track of crew scheduling? Do they mandate that their crews maintain multiple passports? Do they keep a separate roster for crews flying to Israel to ensure they do not get assigned another route? Any insight is appreciated!

On a general note, crews that fly to Israel also fly to arabic countries, at least that's the case with european airlines such as LH, LX, OS etc.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9651 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting luckyone (Thread starter):
Do they mandate that their crews maintain multiple passports?

Airline crew do not typically have passports stamped on each flight.



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User currently offlinedaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 692 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Also, Israel has no Problem with arab stamps
Only Vice versa
To avoid probs on that end, Israel offers to stamp a separate sheet of paper to avoid 'marking' the passport


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting daumueller (Reply 3):
Also, Israel has no Problem with arab stamps

Sorry should have specified that I was aware of that.

Quoting daumueller (Reply 3):
To avoid probs on that end, Israel offers to stamp a separate sheet of paper to avoid 'marking' the passport

What about issues such as work visas? Don't flight attendants need work visas for the respective countries they fly to?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 4):
What about issues such as work visas? Don't flight attendants need work visas for the respective countries they fly to?

Depends on the country if you need a visa at all. However they would never need a work visa. You only need a work visa if your base is in the country and you are domiciled there. For example if I go to the US on a business trip for a week I do not need a work visa. A business visa is fine (or in my case no visa at all since I can use the visa waiver program).

I don't know how Israel handles this.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

On several of my flights the FAs stated they had to have a work visa. For example, on ATL-SVO, the New York-based FA stated she had a two year work visa that she had to pay for before getting reimbursed by Delta.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 6):
On several of my flights the FAs stated they had to have a work visa. For example, on ATL-SVO, the New York-based FA stated she had a two year work visa that she had to pay for before getting reimbursed by Delta.

She was most likely just calling her Business Visa a Work Visa. http://www.russianembassy.org/Embassy_eng/Consulate/business_visa.html

In the usual definition, a Business Visa gives you the right to visit the country and work for brief periods while not domiciled there. A Working Visa gives you the right to live and work in the country, typically in connection with a particular employer.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
She was most likely just calling her Business Visa a Work Visa. http://www.russianembassy.org/Embassy_eng/Consulate/business_visa.html

Oh ok. I didn't know that. Do the countries in question have a similar policy?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 8):
Do the countries in question have a similar policy?

It depends entirely on the combination of destination and traveler's citizenship. Sometimes it also depends on the country of residence of the traveler.

For example US citizens visiting Israel on business do not need a visa for stays up to 90 days. On the other hand, US citizens visiting Syria or Saudi Arabia on business need a business visa. (Source: .)

Another example is that Swedes visiting the US for tourism or business do not need a visa. However Indonesian citizens do.



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User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2105 times:

as a UK based crew member, we travel everywhere on a General Declaration, a form listing all the crew which is stamped by the immigration officers on arrival, and handed back to the immigration officers as we leave. Passports rarely leave our crew bags, and only in a few central Asian countries get stamped. There are only 2 countries that UK crew members need visas for, the Russian Federation and the United States.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Thanks for the information!

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