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bristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

What is there in the upper deck of the 747-8 cargo variant? Looks like the upper deck is considerably shorter than the the upper deck of a 747-400...is there space for cargo? Or crew stuff (rest area etc)?

What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?

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Brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

The upper deck of the factory-built freighters have always been of the shorter variety. In many freighters, there's a small galley, some seats (usually standard business class seats), a lavatory and sometimes a bunk or two up there.

For the 747-200 Boeing introduced the SUD variant (SUD = stretched upper deck) which became standard on the 747-300 and -400. This is carried on in the 747-8i which has a stretched upper deck with a lot more seating than would be available in the freighters.

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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1):
For the 747-200 Boeing introduced the SUD variant (SUD = stretched upper deck) which became standard on the 747-300 and -400. This is carried on in the 747-8i which has a stretched upper deck with a lot more seating than would be available in the freighters.

IIRC, the only difference between the -300 and the -200 was the stretched upper deck. Some -200's had the SUD modification done after manufacture (I believe all of them KLM birds?). However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD

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kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2468 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

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The freighter has a shorter upper deck because the floor interferes with the cargo bay height. On conversions, I've seen where they truncated as well.

Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15871 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):
What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?

Not that few actually but it all depends on config. Most airliner have business class up there so not a huge amount of seats. For example BA 747-400s have 20 seats and CX 747-400s has 22.

Corsair has mixed business and economy upstairs in a 2-3 for biz (pretty tight compared to a traditional airline) and 3-3 for economy. 24 business and 18 economy.

If you go all economy on a -400 you can probably squeeze in 13 rows, which is 78 people. The -8 will have a longer upper deck so more sardines.

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horstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Not that few actually but it all depends on config. Most airliner have business class up there so not a huge amount of seats.

Lufthansa used to have its first class in the 747 on the upper deck. old F config on 744 was 16 seats on the upper deck. new 744 config is 8 seats each with a bed.
my question is will LH use the additional space of the -8 to put 2 more F seats up there or will it stick to the 8 seat F class, as it is on all the other long haulers and use the space for example for a big restroom like on the A380? are there any rumours yet?

wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8476 posts, RR: 78
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

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Quoting horstroad (Reply 5):
my question is will LH use the additional space of the -8 to put 2 more F seats up there or will it stick to the 8 seat F class, as it is on all the other long haulers and use the space for example for a big restroom like on the A380? are there any rumours yet?

8 F class seats will be in the front section of the main deck. Upper deck will be C class only. This is no rumour, that is confirmed.

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horstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):

8 F class seats will be in the front section of the main deck. Upper deck will be C class only. This is no rumour, that is confirmed.

wilco737

thanks a lot

deltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Was a thread about this a month ago.

Size Of The 744/748 Freighters Upper Deck (by FlyboyOz Oct 1 2011 in Tech Ops)

edina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
(I believe all of them KLM birds?).

And UTA......

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KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 9):
And UTA......

Thanks,

Wasn't aware.

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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8748 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Almost every airline puts 3 pairs of 2 seats in the upper deck of the freighters. There is a small galley with an oven and coffee maker. There is a lavatory as well. And of course there is the drop down staircase to the main deck. The flight deck is also reasonably spacious.

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):

What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?

At a typical pitch of 60 inches, an airline can fit about 32 seats in the upperdeck of the 747-8 compared to 24 on the 400.

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wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD

Yup. And 100's with a 10 window short hump, 200s with the three window setup as well. Leave it to Boeing to make it absolutely impossible to be sure which 747 classic series you're looking at, lol.

Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD

Only 2, both for JAL.

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murchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 12):

Lol...I thought I'd seen it all. I love showing off to my friends about what variant an airplane is down to the engine type. But if I saw one of those I woulda been thrown way off. Hence my Continuous love for this site.

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yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15990 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 9):
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
(I believe all of them KLM birds?).

And UTA......

10 KLM 742's where converted to 743 standard. 2 UTA.

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.

ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
If you go all economy on a -400 you can probably squeeze in 13 rows, which is 78 people. The -8 will have a longer upper deck so more sardines.

IIRC, the max for the upper deck is around 89 pax. JAL's -400Ds had 86 seats in the upper deck.

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