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747-8 Upper Deck  
User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

What is there in the upper deck of the 747-8 cargo variant? Looks like the upper deck is considerably shorter than the the upper deck of a 747-400...is there space for cargo? Or crew stuff (rest area etc)?

What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?


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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

The upper deck of the factory-built freighters have always been of the shorter variety. In many freighters, there's a small galley, some seats (usually standard business class seats), a lavatory and sometimes a bunk or two up there.

For the 747-200 Boeing introduced the SUD variant (SUD = stretched upper deck) which became standard on the 747-300 and -400. This is carried on in the 747-8i which has a stretched upper deck with a lot more seating than would be available in the freighters.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1):
For the 747-200 Boeing introduced the SUD variant (SUD = stretched upper deck) which became standard on the 747-300 and -400. This is carried on in the 747-8i which has a stretched upper deck with a lot more seating than would be available in the freighters.

IIRC, the only difference between the -300 and the -200 was the stretched upper deck. Some -200's had the SUD modification done after manufacture (I believe all of them KLM birds?). However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD   



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3864 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5554 times:
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The freighter has a shorter upper deck because the floor interferes with the cargo bay height. On conversions, I've seen where they truncated as well.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17176 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):
What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?

Not that few actually but it all depends on config. Most airliner have business class up there so not a huge amount of seats. For example BA 747-400s have 20 seats and CX 747-400s has 22.

Corsair has mixed business and economy upstairs in a 2-3 for biz (pretty tight compared to a traditional airline) and 3-3 for economy. 24 business and 18 economy.

If you go all economy on a -400 you can probably squeeze in 13 rows, which is 78 people. The -8 will have a longer upper deck so more sardines.



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User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Not that few actually but it all depends on config. Most airliner have business class up there so not a huge amount of seats.

Lufthansa used to have its first class in the 747 on the upper deck. old F config on 744 was 16 seats on the upper deck. new 744 config is 8 seats each with a bed.
my question is will LH use the additional space of the -8 to put 2 more F seats up there or will it stick to the 8 seat F class, as it is on all the other long haulers and use the space for example for a big restroom like on the A380? are there any rumours yet?


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9118 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
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Quoting horstroad (Reply 5):
my question is will LH use the additional space of the -8 to put 2 more F seats up there or will it stick to the 8 seat F class, as it is on all the other long haulers and use the space for example for a big restroom like on the A380? are there any rumours yet?

8 F class seats will be in the front section of the main deck. Upper deck will be C class only. This is no rumour, that is confirmed.

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User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):

8 F class seats will be in the front section of the main deck. Upper deck will be C class only. This is no rumour, that is confirmed.

wilco737

thanks a lot


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Was a thread about this a month ago.

Size Of The 744/748 Freighters Upper Deck (by FlyboyOz Oct 1 2011 in Tech Ops)


User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
(I believe all of them KLM birds?).

And UTA......



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 9):
And UTA......

Thanks,

Wasn't aware.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Almost every airline puts 3 pairs of 2 seats in the upper deck of the freighters. There is a small galley with an oven and coffee maker. There is a lavatory as well. And of course there is the drop down staircase to the main deck. The flight deck is also reasonably spacious.

Quoting bristolflyer (Thread starter):

What about in the pax version...surely they an only get a handful of seats up there?

At a typical pitch of 60 inches, an airline can fit about 32 seats in the upperdeck of the 747-8 compared to 24 on the 400.



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User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD   

Yup. And 100's with a 10 window short hump, 200s with the three window setup as well. Leave it to Boeing to make it absolutely impossible to be sure which 747 classic series you're looking at, lol.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
However, some 747-100SR's were manufactured with the SUD

Only 2, both for JAL.


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User currently offlinemurchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 12):

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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 9):
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
(I believe all of them KLM birds?).

And UTA......

10 KLM 742's where converted to 743 standard. 2 UTA.



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3867 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
If you go all economy on a -400 you can probably squeeze in 13 rows, which is 78 people. The -8 will have a longer upper deck so more sardines.

IIRC, the max for the upper deck is around 89 pax. JAL's -400Ds had 86 seats in the upper deck.


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