1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5770 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
I was wondering, it seems that on many newer Boeing aircraft, the illuminated No Smoking light no longer flashes on initial descent; only two chimes are heard. I know this is the case on DL's 764ERs, 772ERs, and DL's newest 752s (not sure about the 753s, and the 737NGs and 77Ls do not even have illuminated No Smoking signs).
I was wondering, when did Boeing make this change? Is there any particular reason why the No Smoking signs don't flash on these aircraft?
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8748 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
No smoking signs are a customer option on Boeing aircraft. The option was first available on the 777 and was optional on other airplanes starting around the mid-90s.
Delta also has the ability to make the switch in the flight deck only operate as a noise and keep the signs illuminated all the time. It's a software/hardware change that can be made.
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flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter): I was wondering, it seems that on many newer Boeing aircraft, the illuminated No Smoking light no longer flashes on initial descent; only two chimes are heard
This would be the FA call button I think which is on the overhead of boeing aircraft near the seatbelt sigh switches. So it makes the noise but does not change any of the lights just to let the FA's know about being lower than 10,000ft or 5mins to landing, above 10,000ft etc...
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26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 666 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Funny. Do we really still need No Smoking signs in the Western world? How's does one have a smoke without an ashtray anyway? The only ashtray I've seen in 20 years is the one next to the lav.
That brings up another question: Why does the FAA still require an ashtray next to the lav door?
b6flyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
An ashtray on an aircraft is a safe place to extinguish a cigarette. When people get caught, and they still do try, that is where the FA will place the butt if the butt has not been flushed or placed into the trash.
So yes you still need a lit sign or placard saying not to smoke....that way when people do smoke they have broken a posted law.
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737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5): Im still surprised why the ashtray is NOT removed in most Lavatories on board.
What's really crazy is that the aircraft can not be dispatched without it. No MEL relief at all.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2070 times:
Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6): Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Im still surprised why the ashtray is NOT removed in most Lavatories on board.
What's really crazy is that the aircraft can not be dispatched without it. No MEL relief at all.
Which aircraft are you talking about? I looked at four MMEL's and it's on all of those: 737 (25-20), 747 (25-40-01), 777 (25-41-2), and 787 (25-41-01).
hal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1996 times:
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 3): That brings up another question: Why does the FAA still require an ashtray next to the lav door?
You will be surprised how many unruly pax there still are, smoking in the lav. (And thankfully usally prosecuted afterwards)
They tend to ditch it in the toilet, if there is no ashtray, which is far more dangerous, so its actually worth installing (and requiring) an ashtray in the lav.
737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6): Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Im still surprised why the ashtray is NOT removed in most Lavatories on board.
What's really crazy is that the aircraft can not be dispatched without it. No MEL relief at all.
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7): Quoting 737tdi (Reply 6):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Im still surprised why the ashtray is NOT removed in most Lavatories on board.
What's really crazy is that the aircraft can not be dispatched without it. No MEL relief at all.
Which aircraft are you talking about? I looked at four MMEL's and it's on all of those: 737 (25-20), 747 (25-40-01), 777 (25-41-2), and 787 (25-41-01).
Tom.
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8): What type are you referring to....
The key word here is "in the Lavatories". The ashtray on the outside of the door can be MEL'd as y'all say but the one on the inside can not. I am just speaking of 737's.
Now if one wanted to be creative the Lavatory itself could be placed on MEL, but that is also up to the crew.
Even more creative would be to take the ashtray from the outside of the door and put it on the inside and MEL the exterior ashtray (3 days). If at a maintenance station (and they don't have one) a mechanic could swap them. If not and the crew puts it in the book they have now, at the least caused a delay, waiting for contract maint. or a cancellation if they don't want to MEL the Lav.. They would then have to wait for me to fly from DAL to take care of it.
Things like this happen and are a real pain, but on the positive side, I can usually get overtime out of I can't get a flight back that night.
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