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Is LAS-ICN The Longest A332 Flight In The World  
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 998 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5683 times:
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A travel website has Korean Air's Vegas-Seoul (going west) at 13 hrs 40 mns. This HAS to be the longest A330 flight in the world, correct?

I didn't know the A330-200 had this kind of range

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User currently offlinedlnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2011, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5629 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
This HAS to be the longest A330 flight in the world, correct?

No, QF operate the type on LAX/AKL which is 420nm longer by distance than ICN/LAS.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=icn-las%0D%0Alax-akl&MS=wls&DU=nm

G


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5335 times:

DL's DTW-HND will become the longest A332 flight in the world by duration - QF's LAX-AKL will be slightly longer by distance, though much shorter since they don't fight headwinds even remotely as strong as polar crossings.

User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
DL's DTW-HND will become the longest A332 flight in the world by duration - QF's LAX-AKL will be slightly longer by distance, though much shorter since they don't fight headwinds even remotely as strong as polar crossings.

Do either of these flights have payload restrictions? I should imagine these may be significant.

Faro



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Air Europa MAD-EZE-MAD is also longer.

Air France CDG-Tokyo is very long also.


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2804 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Quoting faro (Reply 3):
Do either of these flights have payload restrictions? I should imagine these may be significant.

Payload-range 332 vs 788


The 332 is really characteristic in that it's max MTOW area (the down-slope curve over 5000nm) goes all the way to 0 payload, so yes over 5000nm you can choose between fuel or payload. Just decide how long you want to go and you fuel accordingly, what is left is payload    . Up to about 14 hours you have some usefull payload (subtract 5-8t for a real world cabin + catering first then the rest is payload).



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 5):
The 332 is really characteristic in that it's max MTOW area (the down-slope curve over 5000nm) goes all the way to 0 payload, so yes over 5000nm you can choose between fuel or payload. Just decide how long you want to go and you fuel accordingly, what is left is payload . Up to about 14 hours you have some usefull payload (subtract 5-8t for a real world cabin catering first then the rest is payload).

I believe that is because Airbus did not remove fuel tanks from the A330 vs the A340, so the A330 can take a ridiculous amount of fuel and is impossible to dispatch with full tanks. No new build airplane has that configuration, but it makes sense for commonality purposes.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I believe that is because Airbus did not remove fuel tanks from the A330 vs the A340, so the A330 can take a ridiculous amount of fuel and is impossible to dispatch with full tanks.

The A330-200 does have a centre tank while the -300 does not, but the -200 still doesn't have the same fuel capacity of the A340 109T v 111T.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
so the A330 can take a ridiculous amount of fuel and is impossible to dispatch with full tanks.

Not impossible, but you only have about 9000kg of payload available.

The -200 can hold 109T of fuel, but you only need around 70T for a typical 12hr flight. So you are correct in saying the aircraft has too much Fuel capacity .


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 4):
Air France CDG-Tokyo is very long also.

Don't believe AF uses the A332 on that route now. They did for a while.

In addition to AKL-LAX, QF also used the A332 on SYD-BOM until they dropped that route. Those sectors are roughly 200 to 400 nm further than CDG-NRT.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Where did Airbus get the extra 300 nm range on the 333HGW? BTW, can't wait for the 350R to go into service.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2804 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 9):
Where did Airbus get the extra 300 nm range on the 333HGW? BTW, can't wait for the 350R to go into service.

IIRC they raised the MTOW from 233t to 238t, that gives you another 5t of fuel. It was not used for payload (max payload was even reduced slightly from 170t to 168t for VW 58) . Now 5t of fuel gives you about an hour extra flying time at cruise speed ie 480nm longer range but you have to calculate the extra induced drag for dragging those extra 5t to 7000nm where you burn them so the net result ends up at 300nm more range.



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