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User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1401 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Hi everyone,

I have been very fortunate to receive a donation for a "Lifepak 10" Defibrillator/Monitor/Pacemaker and I am planning to donate it to a hospital in Romania. I will be travelling there just after Christmas on Air Canada / Alitalia and Tarom. My question is:

Can I carry this equipment on-board the aircraft as a carry on? I don't want to check it in, because it's very sensitive and (fairly) expensive. Good people in Romania can really make use of this and I am trying my best to bring it to them. The machine is in perfect working conditions.

The "Lifepak 10" Defibrillator/Monitor/Pacemaker"


Thank you so much

Vio

Edit:

I should add dimensions / weight:

Height: 10.4cm (4 in)
Width: 40.6 cm (16 in)
Depth: 37cm (14.6 in)
Weight: 9kg (20 lbs)

[Edited 2011-12-13 02:55:25]


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User currently offlineMarkhkg From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Ah, good old Lifepak 10. A classic.

Do not carry defib pads through security as they are sealed and should not be opened for inspection. (Security may be concerned about the "gel" in the pads.) Check those in. A non-issue if you're using paddles of course.

For the monitor itself, it's probably find to carry...EXCEPT for the battery. You need to check the type of battery it uses and check with the airline if you are allowed to carry it.

Lifepak brands have several types of battery, the Sealed Lead Acid (SLA), Ni-Cd and lithium. I think the Lifepak 10 only used Ni-Cd batteries which should be fine for carry-on transport. (I would probably double check this if at all possible.) However, SLA is banned on most airlines and there is usually there is a restriction on the quantity of lithium battery you can carry.

If you can, it might be a good idea to get a medical letter indicating that it is being transported for a donation, even if that letter is from the destination hospital.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Also, I would definitely contact the airline. I believe any respectable airline will try to accomodate you.


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User currently offlinehal9213 From Germany, joined May 2009, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Be sure to bring extra time. This kind of stuff will nearly always be checked seperately at security for explosives, which can be time consuming.

User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Have you checked with Romanian government?

While your intentions may be good, normally if you are bringing something into the country and not taking it out with you, it will be subject to import taxes, etc.


User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1401 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Thank you everyone for your good answers, especially Markhkg for his detailed knowledge on the Lifepak 10.

Quoting Markhkg (Reply 1):
For the monitor itself, it's probably find to carry...EXCEPT for the battery. You need to check the type of battery it uses and check with the airline if you are allowed to carry it.

This shouldn't be an issue, since it's not considered "dangerous goods"

Quoting Markhkg (Reply 1):
If you can, it might be a good idea to get a medical letter indicating that it is being transported for a donation, even if that letter is from the destination hospital.


I will have letters from both the donating / receiving officials.

Quoting Fabo (Reply 2):
believe any respectable airline will try to accomodate you.

You would think so, but I can only hope.

Quoting hal9213 (Reply 3):
Be sure to bring extra time. This kind of stuff will nearly always be checked seperately at security

Yup. Very true. Yesterday I went and spoke with Air Canada officials and also the Security Manager at the airport. They both said it's no problem.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
Have you checked with Romanian government?

While your intentions may be good, normally if you are bringing something into the country and not taking it out with you, it will be subject to import taxes, etc.

I don't think that applies to donations. I'm not making money with it and it's a public donation for a charitable cause. I doubt anybody in their right mind would impose a tax on a free medical (life saving) device... then again, stranger things have happened.

Thanks again for all your help guys!



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 5):
I doubt anybody in their right mind would impose a tax on a free medical (life saving) device... then again, stranger things have happened.

You will not be dealing with people but with a "government".

But I applaud you for your good intentions.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5570 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 5):

This shouldn't be an issue, since it's not considered "dangerous goods"

Just a question, what makes you say that?



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User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1401 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
You will not be dealing with people but with a "government".

But I applaud you for your good intentions.

You are right... and thank you... I do want to make a difference in this world, even if it's on such a small scale. Hopefully this machine will be able to help a lot of people in need. If every person did something nice for someone else, even if once a month, this world would be a lot better place.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
Just a question, what makes you say that?

Quoting Transport Canada Website:

While many types exist, not all batteries are subject to the Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TDG) Act and Regulations. For example, common household-type alkaline, nickel cadmium (NiCad), nickel metal hydride (NiMH), and silver-zinc batteries are not classified as dangerous goods.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/publicat...ins-transportingbatteries-1099.htm

From what I've been told the Lifepak 10 has a NiCad battery.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Having been at the receiving end of these requests at an airline (and handling them), the only right thing you can do is contact the airline(s) involved. It all very much depends on the Operating Manuals (Ground Handling, Cabin Safety, if checked in Flight Safety, DG regulations). These very much vary from carrier to carrier. From a quick look I don't think I would have had a problem with this one on my carrier, but I'm not looking into specifics right now.

Contact your carriers and let them tell you what to do, that is the best way to avoid surprises at the airport. If they don't have any problem with it they will let you know, and if you need to do specific things to carry it they will inform you. Just showing up with equipment like this might result in it being denied as it can not be determined in time if it is safe, and you will want to avoid that.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
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Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
You will not be dealing with people but with a "government".


That is a very valid point, whilst many of us would consider a donation of medical equipment an honourable and noble act, there are some.. governments and their agencies, that might consider such donations as an affront, as a perceived insult aimed at their ability to care for their own citizens.

I am most definitely not saying that Romania is in this category but it it is something to be aware of, limitations on import or carriage of such equipment may be affected by more than the mere technical characteristics of the components.

Not saying don't do it, I admire your charitable intentions, just be aware of the potential issues.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8873 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 8):

From what I've been told the Lifepak 10 has a NiCad battery.

Commencing Jan 01 2012 the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations will have been amended to cover all batteries carried onboard. I would strongly suggest you contact the actual carrier that you intend to fly with, with the intended departure date, and supply them with details of the batteries being carried. I suspect the batteries in the device are not the standard household type.

It may also be useful to contact the airport you intend to get security screened before you departure date to ensure they will let you proceed with the device. These people often do not allow things onboard that the airline does.



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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting vio (Reply 8):
Quoting Transport Canada Website:

While many types exist, not all batteries are subject to the Transportation of Dangerous Goods (TDG) Act and Regulations. For example, common household-type alkaline, nickel cadmium (NiCad), nickel metal hydride (NiMH), and silver-zinc batteries are not classified as dangerous goods.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/publicat...ins-transportingbatteries-1099.htm

From what I've been told the Lifepak 10 has a NiCad battery.

The issue I have with your logic is each one of those types of batteries are also found in commercial type batteries. The link you posted has a picture of household batteries that are no larger than a C-cell. You may want to further investigate what is considered "household" by Transport Canada and the TDG Act and Regulations.

It may potentially be less hassle to just ship the batteries separetley.


User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1401 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Thanks everyone for all the good feedback.

Quoting zeke (Reply 11):

Commencing Jan 01 2012 the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations will have been amended to cover all batteries carried onboard. I would strongly suggest you contact the actual carrier that you intend to fly with, with the intended departure date, and supply them with details of the batteries being carried. I suspect the batteries in the device are not the standard household type.

It may also be useful to contact the airport you intend to get security screened before you departure date to ensure they will let you proceed with the device. These people often do not allow things onboard that the airline does.

Hi Zeke, like I said above, I did check with Air Canada and Security (supervisor on shift) and they both said it's okay. Now I have to find out if Alitalia and Tarom is fine with it. (see my previous post below)

Quoting vio (Reply 5):
Yup. Very true. Yesterday I went and spoke with Air Canada officials and also the Security Manager at the airport. They both said it's no problem.
Quoting yeelep (Reply 12):
It may potentially be less hassle to just ship the batteries separetley.

Hi yeelep,

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Edited 2011-12-15 06:36:12]


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