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vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Hey,

I was wondering what the range for UPS' MD-11 is. Where are they based out of? I saw a lot of pictures take in SYD and I wanted to know:

1. What the range of that plane is
2. If they do a technical stop somewhere
3. Where would that technical stop be
4. Does it go with a full load?

Thanks in advance. I know I can search up Wikipedia (which I did), but all I found there was a range that seemed a bit "short" for a long-haul freighter.

Vio

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Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

That range is listed with maximum payload and is nowhere near the maximum range of the Aircraft.

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CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2214 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

If a Fedex Md-11 helps we do HNL-SYD

chieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

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Quoting vio (Thread starter):
1. What the range of that plane is

If I recall it right, the MD-11F loaded up to MZFW will be able to fly approx. 3,800nm

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26725 posts, RR: 83
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

You can find the payload-range chart for the MD-11F here: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/m11.htm

At maximum design payload, range is around 3800nm (depending if PW or GE engines are fitted). With no payload, the range is around 8000nm.

fxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

The UPS MD-11 into SYD comes out of HNL and operates non stop. There's no particular "base" for the airplanes. Crews are based in SDF and ANC (maybe ONT???)

The longest MD flight I've ever dispatched was LAD to IAH, around 8000NM. This was a pax configured plane and coul carry minimal payload usually (about 20,000lbs and sometimes had to be towed to the end of the runway for starting to make it)

The HNL-SYD is about 5000NM and change. Some days you can load it up pretty well, usually bulking out before hitting weight limits. The longest flight regular MD freighter flights we op are close to 6000NM and are very restricted.

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wn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting fxra (Reply 5):
The longest flight regular MD freighter flights we op are close to 6000NM and are very restricted.

That's not bad for any freighter. I can see why, this being the case, why the MD-11 remains desirable to its operators. Can you say how this compares to the 77F?

intsim From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 6):
That's not bad for any freighter. I can see why, this being the case, why the MD-11 remains desirable to its operators. Can you say how this compares to the 77F?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...0/history/20111222/1500Z/ZSPD/KMEM

Planned 8,136nm Actual 7,799

Another is
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...8/history/20111223/1415Z/VHHH/KMEM

Although I don't know what paylod can be flown at these ranges.

[Edited 2011-12-23 21:38:49]

cmb56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Now granted the aircraft was empty but a few year back UPS delivered one of their MD-11Fs out of conversion direct from Singapore to Louisville. I think it was about 17 hours.

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26725 posts, RR: 83
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 6):
Can you say how this compares to the 77F?

At maximum zero fuel weight, range is about 5800nm.

I've seen reports on this forum that maximum design payload on the latest build 777Fs is about 15t higher than the MD-11F (107t to 92t).

Tupolev160 From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?

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JT8DJET From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 8):
Now granted the aircraft was empty but a few year back UPS delivered one of their MD-11Fs out of conversion direct from Singapore to Louisville. I think it was about 17 hours.

Here is an old link to the flight you are speaking of.

http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-for...general_aviation/read.main/647336/

BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14355 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Because it sucked. It was late, and when it arrived it underperformed. The MD-11 did not offer as much range as the A340, which also offered significant commonality with the A330 (though the 330 was nothing special in those days). And when the 777 showed up a few years later, the MD-11 was soundly outclassed in pretty much every respect.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter

Largely because nobody wants them to fly passengers. Used planes for conversion were easy to find and were relatively cheap. Also new builds freighters were offered early since the line was not that jammed with passenger planes. As far as new build widebody freighters went in those days the MD-11 was really about the only game in town for long range flights. The 747-400F wasn't built for several more years, as was the 767-300F and the A300F didn't offer the same range as the MD-11.

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Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

And the MD11 could carry nearly the payload of a 747 Classic on much less fuel.

Not that i'm a fan..

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Western727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):

Why the greater range with the CF6s? I'm assuming the fuel consumption is slightly better...but why, exactly?

Further, I remember reading here about 767s having better resale value if equipped with CF6s (vs. PW4060s) due to lower maintenance costs. Is the same true for the 767 in terms of fuel consumption? Further still, do MD-11s powered with CF6s have better resale value for the same reason as the 767?

Thanks in advance for any insight.

TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2099 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Also new builds freighters were offered early since the line was not that jammed with passenger planes.

Not true. While the MD-11F was offered from the start, in 1991 the MD-11 had a significant passenger backlog. The majority of the freighter built frames were produced between 1998-2000.

There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.

delawareusa From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Also the MD-11 tends to flip when landing in a crosswind. It's tail is too small. This is too large a risk for most commercial pax aircrafts, but not for freighters.

ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Actually, the MD-11 is a popular freighter because it can loaded to its max payload weight and max volumetric capability at the same time using general cargo densities. Other freighters will reach either limit before the other.

CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2214 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting delawareusa (Reply 16):
Also the MD-11 tends to flip when landing in a crosswind. It's tail is too small. This is too large a risk for most commercial pax aircrafts, but not for freighters.

Wrong~ It doesn't "tend to flip". I've flown the jet for 12 yrs and never seen a tendency to flip. Yes you must watch side loads on the gear and don't unload the elevator in a bounce. This has been covered a bazillion times.

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