readytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 2303 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
Just wondering pilots, is there any airport around the world that stands out as the one that enforces the curfew the most, the place you really aren't going to get a break?
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 4871 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
John Wayne - SNA/ KSNA - has a pretty strick curfew.
Probably the strictest in the US is SMO/ KSMO - Santa Monica - which is a GA airport near Los Angeles - but you might be looking for commercial airports.
horstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3228 times:
actually there are arrival exceptions at FRA, but each one has to be approved by the authority. but even the exceptions are limited. after 00:00 there is no way into FRA
I don´t know how outbound exceptions are managed. I have heard that there are no exceptions at all, no take off after 22:59:59. but there are departing flights past 11 o clock almost every day
thegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2163 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3173 times:
I think SYD has to be among the worst. Multi million dollar fines apply to landing after 11pm AIUI. Strangely, you can take off at 10:59pm and 6:01am, but not land at 11:01pm or 5:59am. I think there are some restricted, over the bay options 11pm-12am and 5am-6am but I'm not clear on the details of that. When I've been flying in to SYD near 11pm (as a passenger) the airline has certainly been getting very nervous about missing the curfew. In one case the flight took on more fuel to fly at around FL200 at a higher speed.
Perhaps someone else can fill in the details on the shoulder curfew operations.
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8014 posts, RR: 83 Reply 5, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
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Quoting horstroad (Reply 3): I don´t know how outbound exceptions are managed. I have heard that there are no exceptions at all, no take off after 22:59:59. but there are departing flights past 11 o clock almost every day
Maybe they just depart. The fine is lower than putting 300 people into hotels... Just a guess.
Interesting to see departures after 11:00pm. I thought FRA don't allow any departure after 11:00pm anymore...
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18942 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3050 times:
An interesting thing in the US, is that ATC is not in the business of enforcing curfews, and will clear anyone that wants a clearance. However the operator will have to settle up with the airport authority afterwards for such actions.
For example I'm aware of many dozen incidents over the years that crews needlessly departed a few minutes early to only see their company slapped with a fine.
In regards to airports being rather strict - Japan - Narita specifically is rather strict. Once had to taxi back to the terminal as we did not manage to get airborne prior to the curfew hour.
Same thing happened once in Amsterdam also - we took a loading and then maintenance delay, and never made it to the runway in time.
[Edited 2012-01-09 23:44:27]
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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 30166 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 2): I guess FRA is one of the worst at the moment. No take off or landing. No chance. Closed is closed... Go somwehere else or taxi back to gate...
Whats the reason.....Noise restriction?.
Out here at BOM,there is a closure between 0330-0400hrs for Runway Friction tests,that is strictly being inforced,otherwise its not as stringent.
wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8014 posts, RR: 83 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7): Whats the reason.....Noise restriction?.
Yes.
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7): Out here at BOM,there is a closure between 0330-0400hrs for Runway Friction tests,that is strictly being inforced,otherwise its not as stringent.
I know. Let our flight delay every once in a while as our STD is 0315. So no delay allowed or you have even more delay.
gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4260 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2720 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): In regards to airports being rather strict - Japan - Narita specifically is rather strict.
Majority airfields in Japan do have a strict operating hours, even some international airfields with heavy domestic traffic normally closes after 2200L. Many smaller regional or not so busier general aviation airfields usually open from 08:30 to 16:30. During closing times, no traffic may depart or land. I was cutting close when departing at an airfield last week, however, the controller did allowed me to depart since I was the last airplane at the airport. I also notice that Japanese airspace, some TCA's and ACA's controlled airspace (similar to Class C airspace in the U.S.) are closed on weekends and outside normal operating hours which becomes uncontrolled airspace, yet still flyable. Mainly those airspace that are closed are normally at Japanese Self-Defense Force airfields.
CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 18 Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2703 times:
I agree with Wilco737! FRA is the one for me. They were unbending to us and once we were late departing EWR and all the way across dispatch was updating the situation. We crossed at .85M and as we got closer we were told no exception to the curfew. On the good side ATC waived all airspeed restrictions and on short final I had the tower say the time over the radio! We landed with 4 min to spare!! Unfortunately due to this mentality we now we've moved the German hub to Koln and only a very few flights go to FRA. Too bad; nice layover!
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 33 Reply 12, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
FRA is so special right now because it has a preliminary court ruling on the issue, which prohibits flights after 11. The case is not finished, thats why it is still unclear what will happen in the future. Fra had the decision, either get the new runway with the strict curfew or drop it at all.
In one year we will probably get a final sulution there, whether it will be more flexible than the current one remains doubtful, however.
N49WA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
Some 30 years ago I was riding around BUR with a friend who was an airport police officer. He knew I was an airliner nut so I would ride along with him on the field during the graveyard shift.
One night, around 2AM, a private 707 landed apparently belonging to an oil sheikh. As was the procedure, we met the plane at the FBO ramp and my friend told the pilot that he would need to pay a curfew fine. I don't remember how much. The pilot went back into the airplane and returned with a huge roll of $100 bills and just started peeling them off. He said that they would be leaving in about an hour after refueling, and just kept handing my friend the bills.
He actually gave my friend more than the fines, but the extra cash was returned to the pilot, over his protests, along with a receipt. In an hour the 707 was off again.
I remember thinking, it must be nice!
spchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1565 times:
Well here in LGB we have a soft curfew that begins at 2200L and then becomes a hard curfew at 2300L and remains in effect until 0659L. No commercial flights can be regularly scheduled to depart or arrive after 2200L or before 0659L, however you can still land or takeoff at any time. The airport is usually controlled from 0600-2300 daily.
Breaking curfews just results in fines assessed to the company.
CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 14):
Breaking curfews just results in fines assessed to the company.
I guess the word "just" got my attention so don't take my comment too seriously but my first thought was be the pilot that breaks the curfew and see how "just" affects your life.
Fabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1526 times:
Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 15): be the pilot that breaks the curfew and see how "just" affects your life.
I do not know how high fines are in Long Beach, but compared to the price of diversion...
yeah I can see how the company would ask, nay, require you to do so.
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CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
Quoting Fabo (Reply 16): I can see how the company would ask, nay, require you to do so.
We just always have a defined t/o time and cruise speed and if you're early, easy, just hold. EASY! I missed one time when I thought it would be perfect and when I asked the controller on short final what the time was we were about 2 minutes early....so G/A. In reality the G/A was probably twice as loud but it was legal!! No sense at all!
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 30166 posts, RR: 61 Reply 19, posted (4 months 10 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
Quoting N49WA (Reply 13): He actually gave my friend more than the fines, but the extra cash was returned to the pilot, over his protests, along with a receipt.
The Receipt was the important part to make the transaction clean.
Over period of usage & accumulation of Tire rubber residue & surface wear the friction ability of the runway decreases, to ensure that the friction levels do not drop below required standards,a friction test is carried out by a friction testing equipment that moves gradually over the runway surface to be tested & applies braking which readings are monitored & data recorded.
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