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CX Fleet And Engine Data.  
User currently offlineQantas747300 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Research has failed to answer a few questions regarding the CX fleet.

1. With reference to the CX 330 fleet, what does the 'X' or 'E' represent? Eg. A330-343X/A330-343E.
2. I can't seem to find consistency when it comes to what engines are installed on what aeroplanes. The following lists the most accurate data I have to date:
*B747-467 are powered by RB211-524HT;
*B747-467ERF are powered by PW4062;
*B747-412 (ex. SQ) are powered by PW4056;
*B777-267 are powered by the Trent 877;
*B777-367 are powered by theTrent 895;
*B777-367ER are powered by GE90-115B;
*A330 are all powered by the Trent 772; and
*A340 are all powered by the CFM56-504.

I would sincerely appreciate any corrections.

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30992 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4540 times:
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From an old a.net thread in TechOps:

The A330-300X is the longer-range version of the -300 with a higher MTOW of 230t-233t and a center fuel tankIt also has a larger vertical stabilizer and stronger wings than the -300s.

The A330-300E is structurally the same as -300X and can be had with MTOWs up to 235t. It has advanced systems and avionics and updated cabin fittings.The A330-300E is structurally the same as -300X and can be had with MTOWs up to 235t. It has advanced systems and avionics and updated cabin fittings.


User currently offlineQantas747300 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Thank you Stitch. I can't seem to find the old thread and I am curious as to the technical advancements that have been made with reference to the 'E'. Do you recall?

Your help is sincerely appreciated.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting Qantas747300 (Thread starter):
*B747-467 are powered by RB211-524HT;
*B747-467ERF are powered by PW4062;
*B747-412 (ex. SQ) are powered by PW4056;

  Actually its not that simple. Cathay Pacific is (probably) the only airline to have engines from all of the big three manufacturers on their 747s - but the different engines are split over several different versions of the 747 that are currently in their fleet. Here is my (rather lengthy) correction:

Boeing 747 passenger aircraft:
The 747-400s that Cathay Pacific ordered new are powered by Rolls Royce engines. EG B-HOV
The 747-400s that Cathay Pacific bought second hand from Singapore Airlines are powered by Pratt & Whitney engines. EG B-HKE

Boeing 747 freighter aircraft:
The 747-400Fs that Cathay Pacific ordered new are powered by Rolls Royce engines. EG B-HUQ
The 747-400 BCFs (the ones that started out carrying passengers before being converted) are powered by either Rolls Royce and Pratt & Whitney engines. EG B-HKX has Pratt & Whitneys, while B-HOZ has Rolls Royce.
The 747-400 ERFs that Cathay Pacific ordered new are powered by Pratt & Whitney engines. EG B-LIA. There is no Rolls Royce engine option for 747-400 ERFs, so Cathay Pacific had to choose between Pratt & Whitney and General Electric. They chose Pratt & Whitney because the ex Singapore Airlines 747s also had those engines.
The 747-8Fs have General Electric engines. EG B-LJA. General Electric engines are the only engines that power the 747-8.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 3):
The 747-400 BCFs (the ones that started out carrying passengers before being converted) are powered by either Rolls Royce and Pratt & Whitney engines. EG B-HKX has Pratt & Whitneys, while B-HOZ has Rolls Royce.

That depends if it's a 747-467 BCF or a 747-412 BCF. B-HO* and B-HU* are -467s, while B-HK* are -412s with the PW engines. That applies to pax aircraft as well: B-HO* and B-HU* are RR powered -467s, while B-HK* are ex-SQ -412s with PW engines.



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 3):
Actually its not that simple. Cathay Pacific is (probably) the only airline to have engines from all of the big three manufacturers on their 747s

There is at least one other airline that has operated a 747 fleet with the three engine types at the same time - PK.

B747-200 Combi (GE)
B747-200 pax (Former CP and TAP - PW)
B747-300 pax (ex Cathay RR)


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4348 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The A330-300X is the longer-range version of the -300 with a higher MTOW of 230t-233t and a center fuel tankIt also has a larger vertical stabilizer and stronger wings than the -300s.

Others have pointed out that there are no A333 with a center wing tank.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30992 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4319 times:
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Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Others have pointed out that there are no A333 with a center wing tank.

Fair enough. The higher TOWs would allow more fuel to be loaded in the existing tanks for greater range.


User currently offlineCX711 From Singapore, joined Jun 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The A330-300X is the longer-range version of the -300 with a higher MTOW of 230t-233t and a center fuel tankIt also has a larger vertical stabilizer and stronger wings than the -300s.

The A330-300E is structurally the same as -300X and can be had with MTOWs up to 235t. It has advanced systems and avionics and updated cabin fittings.The A330-300E is structurally the same as -300X and can be had with MTOWs up to 235t. It has advanced systems and avionics and updated cabin fittings.

Does that mean that the latest A330s that CX has ordered and are taking delivery are the A330-300Es? I had the impression that all the latest versions of A330-300 have longer range and higher MTOW? Do airlines still order the A330-300X?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30992 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4244 times:
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Quoting CX711 (Reply 8):
Does that mean that the latest A330s that CX has ordered and are taking delivery are the A330-300Es?

According to airfleets.net, CX is taking a mix of A330-330s, A330-343Xs and A330-343Es.

B-LAK is shown as an A330-343E
B-LAL and B-LAM are both shown as A330-343X
B-LAN is shown as an A330-343

This is the thread on the A330-300E and A330-300X - Can Someone Explain The A330/A340 E's And X's (by AviationAddict Jan 14 2008 in Civil Aviation). My initial post's information came from seabosdca's post, but Tom_EDDF posted a corrected version.



Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Others have pointed out that there are no A333 with a center wing tank.

I have found a number of sites that reference a center tank for the A330-300X - was this maybe something Airbus was considering offering?

[Edited 2012-03-22 07:48:36]

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4226 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Others have pointed out that there are no A333 with a center wing tank.

I have found a number of sites that reference a center tank for the A330-300X - was this maybe something Airbus was considering offering?

per the Jan 2012 Airbus acaps all A333 have 97530l fuel capacity and all A332 139090l so maybe they considered it but never did it
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...h_data/AC/Airbus-AC_A330_Dec11.pdf

zeke and someone else explained the X quite well once, it had to do IIRC with the max loading in the cargo holds.

I would think you couldn't get a non E version today, why would they want to build them with CRT displays and all the "old " avionics and cabin systems and not have a common product. One other thing I have noticed is that all GE powered ones never seem to be designated E, even recently delivered ones, which doesn't make sense.

Then there is the confusion with the A343E, the higher TOW A343s eg SQs ones were called E initially but then A changed that to X. But the A343E has nothing to do with the E imporvements on the A330s!


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30992 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4209 times:
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Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):
I would think you couldn't get a non E version today, why would they want to build them with CRT displays and all the "old " avionics and cabin systems and not have a common product.


I agree. seabosdca noted in the other thread (from 2008) that Airbus only offered the A330-300E and A340-300E.

As such, Airfleets.net might have bad data. I am sure one of the CX crew on this forum can confirm what they're taking delivery of if they come across this thread.



Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):
zeke and someone else explained the X quite well once, it had to do IIRC with the max loading in the cargo holds.

I can find very little on it, but what I can find implies it is more powerful engines and higher TOWs to give the plane "X"tra range.



Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):
ut the A343E has nothing to do with the E imporvements on the A330s!

Per Tom_EDDF in the other TechOps thread, the A340-300E(nhanced) is an A340-300X that has the CFM56-5C4 engines and a cockpit and certain systems similar to the A340-500/-600 (these systems are evidently also found on the A330-300E).


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4768 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Per Tom_EDDF in the other TechOps thread, the A340-300E(nhanced) is an A340-300X that has the CFM56-5C4 engines and a cockpit and certain systems similar to the A340-500/-600 (these systems are evidently also found on the A330-300E).

This is true from about ?2006 but in the late 90s when the first 275K MTOW A343 came off the line they were called then Es also ! But then this got changed to X fairly quickly.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
That depends if it's a 747-467 BCF or a 747-412 BCF. B-HO* and B-HU* are -467s, while B-HK* are -412s with the PW engines. That applies to pax aircraft as well: B-HO* and B-HU* are RR powered -467s, while B-HK* are ex-SQ -412s with PW engines.

Thanks for pointing that out, CXB77L. I spent 15mins looking at a spreadsheet with all the sub-types, registrations, delivery dates, engines and serial numbers of CX 747s yet failed to make that connection.  



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User currently offlineQantas747300 From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Would someone be able to send me in the correct direction for CX engine data? I have a relatively 'non-uniformal' compilation of data that seems to be increasing in accuracies at a rate faster than I am correcting it'.

I have learnt a lot so far. Thank you everyone!


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