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VX Hiring ETOPS Program Manager  
User currently offline1120BC From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 2 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Posted right on their careers page. Are Hawaii plans in their future? I don't remember reading anything regarding this.

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii? If so why isn't anyone flying them there, yet 737's ply the skies to Hawaii each day from the mainland. I imagine we'll see B6 flying LGB-HNL then?  Big grin

[Edited 2012-04-05 20:19:39]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

They have to stay close to the coast on flights to CUN, so it could also be to improve block times on LAX/SFOCUN, and similar routes.


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3572 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii? If so why isn't anyone flying them there but 737's ply the skies to Hawaii each day from the mainland.

Great Circle Mapper has SFO-HNL at 2399 mi while SFO-JFK is 2586 mi so it for sure can be done. Though I agree it is odd there aren't many (any?) A320s on Hawaii routes.
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User currently offlinehhslax2 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2012, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Is the A320 ETOPS certified for the route? I think the A320 is only ETOPS 120 and the route requires ETOPS 180.

A320 is ETOPS 180, so that wouldn't be the reason.

[Edited 2012-04-05 20:24:56]

User currently offlineVXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Plans are for Hawaii to come on line once the A320NEOs are delivered, so I would guess that we're trying to start getting all our ducks in a row before that time. If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year. As far as I know there have been no talks of the ETOPS in regards to CUN flights. Our routings look fairly direct.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5):
Plans are for Hawaii to come on line once the A320NEOs are delivered, so I would guess that we're trying to start getting all our ducks in a row before that time. If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year. As far as I know there have been no talks of the ETOPS in regards to CUN flights. Our routings look fairly direct

Thanks for clarifying that for us, glad to see VX is thinking ahead for it's future needs.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17786 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5):
Our routings look fairly direct.

Not sure how to past flightaware screenshots, but try DL #453 vs VX #290 vs UA #809



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5):
If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year.

Spring 2016 IIRC, unless there has been a change.



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User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5):
If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year.

The NEO won't start deliveries until 2016. Source: http://www.a320neo.com/

Maybe you're thinking about the A320 with sharklets?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):

Has nothing to do with ETOPS but rather the a/c being certified for extended overwater OPS; see FAR 121.339. None of the DL 32Xs are ETOPS certified and they do the very route you cite. In fact, only a hand full of the 320s are certified for extended overwater OPS along with a few 88s and most PMDL 757s (none of the 5500s), 738s ad 319s (all 73Gs are certified)

It's possible that VX's a/c are only equipped with life vests but not life rafts.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20245 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):

Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii?

Yes. It's 5:30 going and about 5:00 coming. The A320 can easily do that.

At present there are no A320's on HI routes. This is more because of accident than capability. I'm not sure that UA's older A320's necessarily have the legs or are cost-effective to ETOPS-equip, but for whatever reason, they don't use them on that route. NW always flew larger aircraft like the DC-10 and 753 out there and DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use. Same is true of AA. The only remaining US-Hawaii carrier with A320's in the fleet is US, and an A320 might have trouble getting to HNL out of hot-and-high PHX, which is further inland than the costal ports. They use 757's.


User currently offlineElevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Our ETOPs manual for both pilots and inflight is well under way. The job listings for our ETOPs program has been up for several months, so no real news here.

There will be 30 current technology A320s which are slated for delivery from the beginning of fall 2013-2016 (total order of 60 frames split). We will receive 3-4 more planes up until May and then our next batch again fall of 2013. There are 30 NEO aircraft which are slated for first delivery in early 2016. We will be receiving ETOPs equipped planes before the NEOs as well. Expect one more city this year.

These NEO's are going to warm destinations out of the continental U.S. Just sayin'.


User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Great to see VX expanding and doing well even if VS isn't doing as well across the pond. LAX-HNL would be an amazing flight on VX, cannot wait to fly it when it becomes available.


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User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use.



I believe you are meaning ETOPS 767/757's because DL doesn't have any 737's that are ETOPS certified. Though most if not all are extended over water capable which I am sure you're aware of. Now the 737-900ER that will start to arrive later this year supposedly are going to be ETOPS.

Hopefully we can make SJC/SFO/SAN-HNL/OGG work with them as opposed to using them on the LAX-HNL as I'd prefer to have a 757/767 to Hawaii from LAX. I avoid riding DL's existing 738 transcon/midcon flights so I'd avoid the 737-900's if all possible to Hawaii. But I don't work for route planning.


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Glad to see VX expanding, just as SRB said it would be. Caribbean or South American destinations perhaps?

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 13):
even if VS isn't doing as well across the pond

Why do you say that? I am seeing expansion by VS across the pond, and flying regularly see full planes frequently. I surmise rumour reptition.


User currently offlineVXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
The NEO won't start deliveries until 2016. Source: http://www.a320neo.com/

Maybe you're thinking about the A320 with sharklets?

Yes, yes, the sharklets. Thanks for the clarification. That's what happens when I type and watch tv lol

Our planes have the range for the flights to Hawaii now, but we need to be ETOP certified. In initial training as of now, we don't even have any water training. So a lot of work will need to start now to gear up for Hawaii flights sometime late next year.

Once our planes with sharklets come on line, we'll have enough planes in our fleet to expand to HI. Right now, with only 50 aircraft, our focus is on expanding frequencies in our profitable cities and adding new business markets.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
and DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use

We don't have any ETOPS certified 737s. All the 73Gs are certified for extended over water OPS along with *most* of the 738s like I said but none are ETOPS.

As Aviation said above and Richard publically said, all the 739s coming on property will be ETOPS certified (along with nose-to-tail AVOD).



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20245 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 14):
I believe you are meaning ETOPS 767/757's because DL doesn't have any 737's that are ETOPS certified.

I thought I saw a DL 737 landing at LIH... Am I totally wrong?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
I thought I saw a DL 737 landing at LIH... Am I totally wrong?

You were seeing things  



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 14):
I avoid riding DL's existing 738 transcon/midcon flights so I'd avoid the 737-900's if all possible to Hawaii.

Why? The cabin cross section is the same as the 57. The only difference with the 757 is the lower lobe is much larger thus the cabin floor is a bit lower on the 57 vs. the 37 so there is little more room shoulder lever and above (just like the CR2 vs. the CR7/9/1x). I'd actually take a 737 over a run of the mill PMDL 757 any day because of the way the seats pivot so you actually get a bit more room at the knees if someone chooses to recline.



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