RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2164 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii? If so why isn't anyone flying them there, yet 737's ply the skies to Hawaii each day from the mainland. I imagine we'll see B6 flying LGB-HNL then?
[Edited 2012-04-05 20:19:39]
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15734 posts, RR: 48 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
They have to stay close to the coast on flights to CUN, so it could also be to improve block times on LAX/SFOCUN, and similar routes.
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1): Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii? If so why isn't anyone flying them there but 737's ply the skies to Hawaii each day from the mainland.
Great Circle Mapper has SFO-HNL at 2399 mi while SFO-JFK is 2586 mi so it for sure can be done. Though I agree it is odd there aren't many (any?) A320s on Hawaii routes.
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VXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2484 times:
Plans are for Hawaii to come on line once the A320NEOs are delivered, so I would guess that we're trying to start getting all our ducks in a row before that time. If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year. As far as I know there have been no talks of the ETOPS in regards to CUN flights. Our routings look fairly direct.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2164 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2449 times:
Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5): Plans are for Hawaii to come on line once the A320NEOs are delivered, so I would guess that we're trying to start getting all our ducks in a row before that time. If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year. As far as I know there have been no talks of the ETOPS in regards to CUN flights. Our routings look fairly direct
Thanks for clarifying that for us, glad to see VX is thinking ahead for it's future needs.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15734 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
Quoting VXCabinCrew (Reply 5): If I recall correctly, AIrbus will start delivering our NEOs next year.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2178 times:
Has nothing to do with ETOPS but rather the a/c being certified for extended overwater OPS; see FAR 121.339. None of the DL 32Xs are ETOPS certified and they do the very route you cite. In fact, only a hand full of the 320s are certified for extended overwater OPS along with a few 88s and most PMDL 757s (none of the 5500s), 738s ad 319s (all 73Gs are certified)
It's possible that VX's a/c are only equipped with life vests but not life rafts.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16831 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Do A-320's have the legs to do Hawaii?
Yes. It's 5:30 going and about 5:00 coming. The A320 can easily do that.
At present there are no A320's on HI routes. This is more because of accident than capability. I'm not sure that UA's older A320's necessarily have the legs or are cost-effective to ETOPS-equip, but for whatever reason, they don't use them on that route. NW always flew larger aircraft like the DC-10 and 753 out there and DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use. Same is true of AA. The only remaining US-Hawaii carrier with A320's in the fleet is US, and an A320 might have trouble getting to HNL out of hot-and-high PHX, which is further inland than the costal ports. They use 757's.
Elevated From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2004 times:
Our ETOPs manual for both pilots and inflight is well under way. The job listings for our ETOPs program has been up for several months, so no real news here.
There will be 30 current technology A320s which are slated for delivery from the beginning of fall 2013-2016 (total order of 60 frames split). We will receive 3-4 more planes up until May and then our next batch again fall of 2013. There are 30 NEO aircraft which are slated for first delivery in early 2016. We will be receiving ETOPs equipped planes before the NEOs as well. Expect one more city this year.
These NEO's are going to warm destinations out of the continental U.S. Just sayin'.
liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Great to see VX expanding and doing well even if VS isn't doing as well across the pond. LAX-HNL would be an amazing flight on VX, cannot wait to fly it when it becomes available.
aviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11): DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use.
I believe you are meaning ETOPS 767/757's because DL doesn't have any 737's that are ETOPS certified. Though most if not all are extended over water capable which I am sure you're aware of. Now the 737-900ER that will start to arrive later this year supposedly are going to be ETOPS.
Hopefully we can make SJC/SFO/SAN-HNL/OGG work with them as opposed to using them on the LAX-HNL as I'd prefer to have a 757/767 to Hawaii from LAX. I avoid riding DL's existing 738 transcon/midcon flights so I'd avoid the 737-900's if all possible to Hawaii. But I don't work for route planning.
VXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
Maybe you're thinking about the A320 with sharklets?
Yes, yes, the sharklets. Thanks for the clarification. That's what happens when I type and watch tv lol
Our planes have the range for the flights to Hawaii now, but we need to be ETOP certified. In initial training as of now, we don't even have any water training. So a lot of work will need to start now to gear up for Hawaii flights sometime late next year.
Once our planes with sharklets come on line, we'll have enough planes in our fleet to expand to HI. Right now, with only 50 aircraft, our focus is on expanding frequencies in our profitable cities and adding new business markets.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1284 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11): and DL already has a fleet of ETOPS 737's that they use
We don't have any ETOPS certified 737s. All the 73Gs are certified for extended over water OPS along with *most* of the 738s like I said but none are ETOPS.
As Aviation said above and Richard publically said, all the 739s coming on property will be ETOPS certified (along with nose-to-tail AVOD).
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16831 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 14): I believe you are meaning ETOPS 767/757's because DL doesn't have any 737's that are ETOPS certified.
I thought I saw a DL 737 landing at LIH... Am I totally wrong?
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18): I thought I saw a DL 737 landing at LIH... Am I totally wrong?
You were seeing things
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 14): I avoid riding DL's existing 738 transcon/midcon flights so I'd avoid the 737-900's if all possible to Hawaii.
Why? The cabin cross section is the same as the 57. The only difference with the 757 is the lower lobe is much larger thus the cabin floor is a bit lower on the 57 vs. the 37 so there is little more room shoulder lever and above (just like the CR2 vs. the CR7/9/1x). I'd actually take a 737 over a run of the mill PMDL 757 any day because of the way the seats pivot so you actually get a bit more room at the knees if someone chooses to recline.
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