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Typical Pilot Week For AA International  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

I was wondering after my recent trip on AA MIA-CDG-MIA what kind of work schedule the pilots have.

For example, do they fly MIA-CDG Monday night, rest all day Tuesday, fly CDG-JFK on Wednesday, have Thursday off, fly JFK-CDG on Friday, Saturday off, and return home CDG-MIA on Sunday?

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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Not sure if they would do the go to JFK and back then to MIA thing I feel like when it's between bases you will just fly MIA-CDG that month or whatever bid period it is.

From what I have seen for so,ethng like a transatlantic flight it would be.

MIA-CDG get into CDGA early, rest for a bit, spend the afternoon and evening in CDG and fly out the next morning. I would think something like what you posted above may be need for non-base flights like maybe a crew would do DFW-LHR-RDU-LHR-DFW?

Not really sure. I'm sure someone will have a better answer.



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Most transatlantic routes are 3 day trips with 24 hour rest. Some are 4 day trips with 48 hour rest while other transatlantic routes are W routes that are 6 day trips (MIA-CDG-JFK-CDG-MIA).

AA pilots on average fly about 80 hours per month. For a pilot capable of holding transatlantic routes, that’s only 5 trips per month. I’m not sure how AA pilot contracts work, but pilots can fly 757s and 767s domestic and international. Depending on the contract, they likely aren’t exclusively flying transatlantic routes. Also, there are some shorter 2 day and longer 6 day trips out of MIA to South America

Also, rarely would I expect a MIA based 767 pilot to fly any routes out of JFK since JFK is also a 767 pilot base. Sometimes it happens, but usually only as part of multi day trips. Paying a pilot or flight attendant to overnight in a different crew base is something that is usually avoided, although it does happen at most airlines depending on how the schedule works.

If you start looking at domestic routes, they can get quite interesting. They go everywhere from 1 day to 6 day typically. When I was looking regularly at schedules, the goal typically were 3 day trips worth 20 hours each and scheduling tried to stick close to that. The more senior trips were the ones that had the longer transcon routes and had fewer short hops or were worth more hours since to get 20 hours, it can take as many as 4 days.

[Edited 2012-06-18 16:23:34]


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Interesting info so far.... I had no idea that domestic trips could be as long as 6 days!

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 3):
Interesting info so far.... I had no idea that domestic trips could be as long as 6 days!

If you want to talk about a long trip, Delta’s 757 flights out of NRT are done on a 14 day trip since DL has no pilots based in NRT. I’m not sure if things have changed now that there are 767 flights into NRT, but before the 767s came to NRT, the pilots deadheaded to NRT and then flew for 12 days before coming back. The trips were worth about 80 hours.

I'm not sure if any airline has 6 day domestic trips, but there are 6 day international trips.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
If you want to talk about a long trip, Delta’s 757 flights out of NRT are done on a 14 day trip since DL has no pilots based in NRT. I’m not sure if things have changed now that there are 767 flights into NRT, but before the 767s came to NRT, the pilots deadheaded to NRT and then flew for 12 days before coming back. The trips were worth about 80 hours.

I had a Delta 75/76 guy in the jumpseat a couple days ago, telling us about his schedule. I think it started with a deadhead LAX-HNL, then spent the next nine or ten days flying back and forth between Hawaii and Japan, then deadhead home. IIRC it was a 12 day trip and that was his whole month.



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User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting N62NA (thread starter), "For example, do they fly MIA-CDG Monday night, rest all day Tuesday, fly CDG-JFK on Wednesday, have Thursday off, fly JFK-CDG on Friday, Saturday off, and return home CDG-MIA on Sunday?"

N62NA, this example that you posted above is completely possible. The only change I might see would be after flying CDG-JFK on Wednesday (probably arriving mid-afternoon), they might work JFK-CDG the next day (departing Thursday evening). That would give them over 24 hours rest in New York. This would be a five day trip.

It would also be possible for scheduling to build longer trips, for example MIA-CDG; CDG-JFK; JFK-LHR; LHR-ORD; ORD-CDG; and CDG-MIA.

The possibilities are almost endless!

Occasionally, scheduling will take a survey of the pilots to determine what length of trips pilots prefer. In general, it seems as though pilots who live in the city in which they are based generally prefer shorter trips (1 or 2 day trips so they can be home more often) while pilots who live in cities other than where they are based (the pilots who commute to work) prefer longer trips ( 4 and 5 day trips) to minimize the number of times they have to commute between their home city and their crew base each month. Then, scheduling will try to build a mix of trips of varying lengths in an attempt to please as many pilots as possible.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2), "rarely would I expect a MIA based 767 pilot to fly any routes out of JFK since JFK is also a 767 pilot base."

Surprisingly, this happens all the time.

Also quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4), "I'm not sure if any airline has 6 day domestic trips."

Roseflyer, I'm not sure either. As far as I know at Delta, the longest domestic trips are 5 days.

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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3471 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
For example, do they fly MIA-CDG Monday night, rest all day Tuesday, fly CDG-JFK on Wednesday, have Thursday off, fly JFK-CDG on Friday, Saturday off, and return home CDG-MIA on Sunday?

It can change from month-to-month, but for this month MIA 767 crews fly MIA-CDG-MIA (AA64/AA63) as a three day trip and work 4 trips/month for 76 hours pay.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I'm not sure if any airline has 6 day domestic trips, but there are 6 day international trips.

It happens. We wouldn't get 6 day trips for contractual reasons, but we'd get a 4 day followed by an out and back or 2 day quite frequently. They were usually AM/PM shifts to royally screw up your circadian rhythm and commuting. I still hate the bastard that made those lines. It was also standard to have 6 day reserve stretches. You'd end up 30 in 7 by day 5 if they were short staffed.

At NJA, standard schedule is 7 on, 7 off. There's also an 18 day fixed schedule that allows 8 day tours. They were brutal....


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 7):
It can change from month-to-month, but for this month MIA 767 crews fly MIA-CDG-MIA (AA64/AA63) as a three day trip and work 4 trips/month for 76 hours pay.

Thanks. Exactly the answer I was looking for. And thanks to everyone else also for weighing in.


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