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User currently offlinenipoel123 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 267 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12673 times:

Hi all,

With a possible jumpseat ride coming up, I started wondering how many jumpseats there are in a cockpit. I'm sure this differs per aircraft type, maybe you can come up with a list?

Nick


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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12648 times:

Of the aircraft I've flown on, in the jumpseat...

CRJ-100/200/900 - 1
Dash 8-100/300/Q400 - 1



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12640 times:

Obviously it depends on the type you are talking about.
But on the B737 there are Two Supernumery/Jumpseats,one behind the Captain & one Front of the Cockpit door.On the B737 Freighter its the same but add three more in the Area between the Flight deck & the Main deck,before it was disallowed by regulatory.
On the B752SF,there are Two Jump seats similiar to the B737 located aft of the Captains seat & in front of the Cockpit door.
On the B752PCF,there are Four Jump seats...One aft of the captains seat,A wide seat aft of the Control pedestal & Two Seats on the front wall of the Main deck inside the cockpit.



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

I sat in the following jumpseats:

F100: 1 jumpseat
737 Classic: 1 jumpseat

I think the A320 Family has three, one of those is called the torture seat:

http://flightlevel390.blogspot.nl/20...07/captain-dave-where-are-you.html



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1586 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
But on the B737 there are Two

I stand corrected Sir.



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User currently offlinenipoel123 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12610 times:

Thanks for your replies so far!

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
one Front of the Cockpit door
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
in front of the Cockpit door.

I assume you mean behind the flight deck door, from a passenger's point of view?



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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12614 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 3):
737 Classic: 1 jumpseat

737-400 and all NG, two observers seats. The first observers seat folds out from the r/h wall, just forward of the flight deck door. The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.

[Edited 2012-07-04 12:11:01]

User currently offlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 926 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats.

Not always, as it's a customer option to have the second observer seat behind the Captain.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12480 times:

Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats. The first observers seat folds out from the r/h wall, just forward of the flight deck door. The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.



The PMCO early B735 had the two jump-seats, I was lucky enough to have the one forward of the flight deck door and got to watch an America West pilot squeeze into the one behind the Captain seat, wow was that ever a tight fit.   



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User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

The number of jumpseats depends both on the type of aircraft and the airline. For example, Delta's 752, 738 and CAL 737-700 all only have one cockpit jumpseat. DL A319/A320 have two cockpit jumpseats as do UAL 763. UPS and Fedex along with many freighters install the normal observers seat plus several more and often have business class seats. IIRC, Southwest 733s have two cockpit jumpseats.

I would know as I have a growing list of aircraft that Ive jumpseat on: CRJ2, CR7, CR9, ERJ145, ERJ170, MD82, MD88, MD11, DC9, B717, B733, B737, B738, B744, B757, B763, A300, A319, A320.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12286 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
But on the B737 there are Two Supernumery/Jumpseats
Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.

My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12197 times:

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 5):

I assume you mean behind the flight deck door, from a passenger's point of view?

Afirm....

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):

My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

Probably as the fit is very cramped.Aft mvmt of the captains seat in an emergency can strike the feel of the 2nd observer,hence restricted...Just my guess.



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User currently offlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 926 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12177 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights.

Are you sure?

That is completely unacceptable and a violation of contractual jumpseat language.



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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6767 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

No oxygen mask for 2nd observer seat perhaps?
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
On if U got 4 in the cockpit, and only 3 oxy in the cockpit... that 4th guy might wish he never left the ground... ???



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User currently offlineaar90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12021 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

According to AA management, this is driven by a TSA requirement for including the second jumpseat occupant's name on the electronic manifest sent to TSA for every flight. There is a software problem [not sure if it is AA or TSA or both] that prohibits AA from having two different configurations of 738 cockpit seats (we have 18 w/two jumpseats, the rest w/one jumpseat). Hence, AA is now prohibited from using the second jumpseat.



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User currently offlinebarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 926 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11968 times:

Wow, not good for commuters for sure. Most of our a/c have 2 jumpseats but we definitely have a handful that don't, and are able to utilize all that are available.


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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11912 times:

Quoting barney captain (Reply 7):
Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats.

Not always, as it's a customer option to have the second observer seat behind the Captain.

Didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

I'm sure that "seat" violates many treaties banning torture.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
No oxygen mask for 2nd observer seat perhaps?
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.

Our 737's have dedicated O2 for the 2nd observers seat.


User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11906 times:
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WN, does have some 737CL with only one jumpseat. These were purchased/leased from other operators. I can tell you this, the 2nd. obs. seat is torture, that's why we call it the "tombstone". As mechs. we have to fly up there pretty regularly to get downline to repair aircraft. The NG's are just slightly more comfortable. If you have a tall Captain it is even worse.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11696 times:

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
On if U got 4 in the cockpit, and only 3 oxy in the cockpit... that 4th guy might wish he never left the ground... ???

That should be a restriction worldwide as everyseat needs to have dedicated O2 access to it.



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11677 times:

I've never been in the cockpit of any jet airliner that didn't have O2 for every seat. Can someone tell me a jet that doesn't? Just curious since it doesn't make any sense.

User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 790 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11518 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
On if U got 4 in the cockpit, and only 3 oxy in the cockpit... that 4th guy might wish he never left the ground... ???

That should be a restriction worldwide as everyseat needs to have dedicated O2 access to it.

Don't know about worldwide but I can guarantee that if there are 4 people in the cockpit, there are 4 masks in the cockpit, in the US. There has to be seating and emergency equiptment for all 4.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 20):
Don't know about worldwide but I can guarantee that if there are 4 people in the cockpit, there are 4 masks in the cockpit, in the US. There has to be seating and emergency equiptment for all 4.

True.....
the only restriction is the Total pr of O2 present at a transit station,where if less than a certain pressure,then only 3 persons could fly on board in the Flight deck instead of 4.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11392 times:

Quoting aar90 (Reply 14):
There is a software problem [not sure if it is AA or TSA or both] that prohibits AA from having two different configurations of 738 cockpit seats (we have 18 w/two jumpseats, the rest w/one jumpseat).

Good to know. Thanks for providing the explanation.



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User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10475 times:

nipoel123

in the United States, at Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection, I am aware of the following flight deck jumpseat configurations:

DC-9: one
MD-88/MD-90: one
737-700/800: one
Airbus A320/A319: two
CRJ-200/700/900: one
Embraer E-175: one

e38


User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

Quoting e38 (Reply 23):
nipoel123

in the United States, at Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection, I am aware of the following flight deck jumpseat configurations:

DC-9: one
MD-88/MD-90: one
737-700/800: one
Airbus A320/A319: two
CRJ-200/700/900: one
Embraer E-175: one

Spot on.

Although I have had to deny a jumpseater before because of an oxygen mask on the CR2. I've never seen someone so thrilled as to not have to jump on the CR2 before that guy lol.



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25 HAWK21M : No plans on providing O2 mask to the 2nd SNY.
26 e38 : Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29), "No plans on providing O2 mask to the 2nd SNY." Aboard Delta Air Lines A319/A320 aircraft, there are oxygen masks provided
27 apodino : CRJ Series - 1 ERJ Series - 1 EMB 170-190 - 1 B737 Series - 1 A320 Series - 2 A330-340 - 2 B 757 - 1 B 767 - 2 B 777 - 2 I have actually been in the s
28 Alias1024 : As has been previously mentioned, this depends on airline configuration. Some have the second observer seat. Same here. Some airlines have two instal
29 Post contains images apodino : That is the worst jumpseat I have ever been on. I could see the second one on the 757 because the cockpit is more roomy, but with where the jumpseat
30 Post contains images xjramper : I have no plans on making use of the CRJ/ERJ145 any time soon. I'm 6'7"
31 doug_Or : The 757s with 1 jumpseat are terribly cramped. I've never been on one with 2.
32 N243NW : To the left of the first observer's seat (which is essentially in the doorway next to the P61 panel), there is a raised platform where a second seat
33 Post contains images HAWK21M : was reffering to the B737. why was the 2nd seat not used.......On the Freighter it can be 2 to 5 jump seats
34 ak907 : 2 Jump Seats on a 747-400F, one behind the center console, centered between the captain and copilot seat. The second is behind the captains seat, to t
35 Starlionblue : No pics but, the ones I have tried aren't bad but I wouldn't want to sit in them for more than an hour or two. Haven't tried any widebody seats but I
36 Post contains links and images N243NW : The 737 jumpseat is unfolded from the P61 panel (to the right of the aisleway just forward of the flight deck door). The seat tilts down once unlocked
37 FlyMKG : B727 have 2 jumpseats. The forward one is very hard to sit in especially if the captain sits far away from the controls. The aft one has decent leg ro
38 Post contains images yeelep : 737-400
39 Post contains links and images JETSTAR : If you think the jump seat on a Falcon 20 is awful, then try sitting in the jump seat of a Lockheed JetStar for a few hours, then you will know what
40 tdscanuck : We hit one of those FBO's with a large twin a while back while hunting winds...we took something like 15,000 gallons. It was a lot of steak. Tom.
41 FlyMKG : I've only hitched a ride on one of our Falcon 20 freighters once, but the jumpseat was freezing cold. Boarding in LRD in mid August and having both p
42 Post contains links nipoel123 : Just for your information, the trip report with the jumpseat ride is now up: Canada2012 Part 1: Jumpseats & Fourholers. KL In Y (by nipoel123 Aug
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