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Upper Deck Galley Elevator On 747-8  
User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13013 times:


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Where is the galley elevator/cart lift located on the 747-8s ? I would imagine since the -8 has a longer upper deck, the elevator had to be relocated in order for it to match up with one of the main deck galleys. Since the -8s upper deck carries more pax, did Boeing enlarge the cart lift?

I always thought the lift was located on the back wall of the upper-deck galley, but I seem to be wrong.

Thanks!

KrisYYZ

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User currently offline77West From New Zealand, joined Jun 2009, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12983 times:

The entire fuselage plug was extended, so in theory the upper and lower deck galley should still be in the same place relative to each other. But I still don't see an elevator there..?


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User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 388 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12894 times:

If it is the same as the -400, the lift should be directly to the left of the photographer.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12834 times:

It is the same size. The galley is a bit larger and the closet that was behind the staircase is now gone.


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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

What they said. On the 400, the lift is about four feet to the left of the staircase (looking aft, #2 side), and in line with the top step horizontally. From what I've seen, on the 8i, the entire CISD station is more or less the same, of course with some updates, just further aft. Looking at that photo, it should be well within reach of the photographer's left hand.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12709 times:

Any detailed pictures of the said lift......


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2011 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Any detailed pictures of the said lift......

On the following video of the 747-8I upper deck galley, the cart lift is visible at elapsed time 0,13 minutes (with the crew-bag in front) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OHKaHAA88

For better understanding here is the cabin lay out of the Lufthansa 747-830. The cart lift is located just aft of the aft upper deck toilet.
LH 747-830 seat plan


The location of the lift is exactly the same as on the 747-400 series, because the fuselage of the 747-8I has been extended (by a fuselage plug) just aft of the upper deck escape doors.
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747-8 Fuselage plugs added


[Edited 2012-08-21 06:21:04]


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User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12562 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 6):

Really appreciate the info!

KrisYYZ


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12517 times:

What ever happend to the idea of putting main deck galleys in the crown?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12506 times:
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Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 8):
What ever happend to the idea of putting main deck galleys in the crown?

I expect it's still an option. LH appears to be going for a premium-heavy config at the moment, so they don't seem to be worried about floor-space and the crown galley must add weight.

A carrier with a heavier bias towards Economy seating might want to kick the Economy galleys up into the crown.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days ago) and read 12488 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
I expect it's still an option. LH appears to be going for a premium-heavy config at the moment, so they don't seem to be worried about floor-space and the crown galley must add weight.

A carrier with a heavier bias towards Economy seating might want to kick the Economy galleys up into the crown.

I'd actually see more reason to do it with the premium heavy configuration since business class requires so many more carts than economy does. The 748 business class galley is huge and larger than the economy galley. Floor space is always important regardless of premium heavy or economy heavy configuration.

I believe the upper deck galley has 15 full and 2 half carts for only 32 seats!

[Edited 2012-08-21 10:33:27]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days ago) and read 12479 times:
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
I'd actually see more reason to do it with the premium heavy configuration since business class requires so many more carts than economy does.

True, but usually premium cabin service is done by trays from the galley as opposed to directly off carts at the seat like in Economy.

So for premium cabin, I expect it's much easier to do it on the main deck where with Economy, you can do all the prep in the crown galley, load the distribution carts and then take them down to the main deck.


For those aircraft that had hold galleys, were these used for both premium and Economy cabins? And if used for premium, was service from the cart or did they prep it downstairs, bring it up to tray and then serve?


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2011 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days ago) and read 12476 times:

It must be possible to install a crown galley in the place reserved for the skyloft installation in the 747-8I/BBJ aircraft.

However AFAIK the 747-8I/BBJ aircraft are built according a different standard design then the airline 747-8I aircraft.

The 747-8I Airline configuration is built according Basic number block R8001 and further.
The 747-8I BBJ configuration is built according Basic number block R8401 and further.

Examples :
L/N 1434 - 747-8JK - R8401 - RC001 is the first built BBJ aircraft
L/N 1435 - 747-830 - R8001 - RC021 is the first built airline (DLH) 747-8I

IMO modification afterwards to allow for crown galley installation will be very expensive, The crown galley possibility must be factory installed (re-routed steering cables, air conditioning ducts, wire bundles and attachment points for a galley floor.) to allow for an economic crown galley installation.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12445 times:
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I would expect there is little to any difference in the crown area between the VIP and passenger versions, otherwise that just needlessly drives up cost and complexity.

The OSU's are installed aftermarket for the VIP birds, but that may just be due to the genera outfitting being done post-delivery.

I would expect the galleys to be installed on the line for a passenger plane due to simplicity, but I would expect they could be added afterwards (perhaps with an STC?).


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12366 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
I would expect the galleys to be installed on the line for a passenger plane due to simplicity, but I would expect they could be added afterwards (perhaps with an STC?).

The KLM 744 door 3 overhead crew rest were installed retrofit and certified via STC.


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12301 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):

Not really detailed, but this should at least give you an idea of the general positioning.


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That's it, aft of the stairs.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12173 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 6):
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 15):

Interesting pic/info.....Thanks.



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 629 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 12):
IMO modification afterwards to allow for crown galley installation will be very expensive, The crown galley possibility must be factory installed (re-routed steering cables, air conditioning ducts, wire bundles and attachment points for a galley floor.) to allow for an economic crown galley installation.

I'd thought that a bigger issue is that the "skyloft" area removes the center bin space where it would be most needed (right?)-- above the economy seating. If, because business class is lower density, you could forgo that bin space, you might be able to add the galley above it, but then biz class could not be under the extended upper deck-- it would need to be farther back.

I'm assuming that the crew rests fitted above economy are much shorter in height than the "skyloft" and don't sacrifice bin space. I could also see some creative cart storage up there that doesn't sacrifice center bins w/o an actual habitable galley, but a true skyloft galley needs to be aft of the overwing door, and it would remove bins.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11901 times:
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Quoting SSTeve (Reply 17):
I'd thought that a bigger issue is that the "skyloft" area removes the center bin space where it would be most needed (right?)-- above the economy seating.

I believe this is only the case with the OSUs fitted to 747-8 VIP frames as they have no need for luggage bins. Closeout fairings are instead fitted in the location the bins would normally be.


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