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Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5730 times:

EDTL - Employee Duty Time Limitations.
Similair to FDTL for the Flight crew...This deals with Duty limits on maintenance personnel, especially those working nights.

http://dgca.nic.in/circular/aac1_2012.pdf

Is anything similiar present out there in other Airlines.


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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2260 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Here in the ATC world we have something similiar.

atct



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

EDTL was long awaited in Maintenance due to the fact that many times Duty hrs stretched 12hrs + & at the end of a major check it could be 24-36hrs non stop...This can lead to errors.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13946 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

I work 12 hour shifts (add another 30 minutes for handover to the next shiftleader) on the line, but on a five on five off base (five days 7 am to 7 pm, five off, then five nights 7 pm to 7 am, then five off and back to days), based on an average of 40 hours per week.
We know that this is not really legal as per the German interpretation of the European working hours directive, which allows for a maximum of 10 hours per day, but we all like those five days off to recover and get our systems changed to the other shift pattern, and as linies we have periods of standby inbetween. Additionally for me it allows me to fly over to DUB once a month for 5 days to visit my girlfriend without having to touch my annual leave.
But what I don´t like is if 12 hours turn into 15, 16 or 20 hou shifts. I know it can happen during AOG situaions, where you started the job and can´t really fairly hand it over to the next guy, who then has to sign for your work without having been present when it was done.
If it happens occasionaly I´m ok with it, especially if it is thze last day of the shift block, or I come to work later next day as to get enough sleep.
But I don´t like the company to count on massive overtime just to save on manpower (on a previous job whoever found a snag had to stay until it was fixed. Since our cargo operation was running almost exclusively at night the customer refused to pay for a dayshift, so there was no relief. I´ve done 40 hour shifts with this company).

Jan


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Here in the states per the FAA you have to have at least four days off a month.

User currently offlinecharliecossie From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 479 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Out here, we've had this for years....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
I´ve done 40 hour shifts with this company

Jan....how is 5 days on & 5 days off compared to the 5 nights on & 5 nights off....The latter would be tougher in my opinion.

36 hrs has been my highest so far,thanks to the ending days of a check C where the job needs to be completed on schedule.But Im glad EDTL has been implemented,it has made things more easier from the Stress angle especially with rising Age.



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
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Working all nights is easy IF you keep your schedule on days off. I only work nights and I work 12 hr shifts 5PM-5AM and on my days off I wake up at the same time as if i was working and I go to bed at the same time, so my day never really varies. Actually I find it easier than working a day shift since it's much easier to wake up at 3 PM than 3AM


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 7):
I only work nights and I work 12 hr shifts 5PM-5AM

How many nights in a forthnight.



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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4516 times:
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7 nights in 2 weeks (roughly) 12 hr shifts mean we work about 15 days a month. Depending on how i schedule my time I could work anywhere from 5 on 2 off to a much quieter schedule.


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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2532 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
36 hrs has been my highest so far,thanks to the ending days of a check C where the job needs to be completed on schedule

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe. Just to get out a C Check definitely not. We move a check like that every week. That is what other shifts are for. I MIGHT work four hours over, but it's only for the money. Usually for me when the overtime call comes around I pass. I like my job, but I really like not being there more.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe.

Not the entire shift,but job had to be completed & it was not wise to hand over midway.....but I struggled to rest after those 36hrs for quite a few hrs thereafter....



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13946 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe.

Not the entire shift,but job had to be completed & it was not wise to hand over midway.....but I struggled to rest after those 36hrs for quite a few hrs thereafter....

Same for me. It is often unfair to let another pöerson sign for a job, where most work was done by you, so you´ll have to stay on until the job is finished.

Jan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

DTL simplified is for every night you work you get an off,for every two nights you work,you get two offs,you can work more than two nights at a stretch and not beyond 0800hrs.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
Same for me. It is often unfair to let another pöerson sign for a job, where most work was done by you, so you´ll have to stay on until the job is finished

Dont you have a work handover log....where you sign for what you have completed, and the rest gets taken care of by the reliever.



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User currently offlinermm From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

We use a 4 on 4 off 12 hour shift pattern. Two days (06:00 - 18:00) followed by two nights (18:00 - 06:00) then 4 days off.
This way in an 8 day period we only ever do two nights.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

Quoting rmm (Reply 15):

Seems like a very relaxed pattern......Out here 12hrs....2on...2off or 1on...1off is prevalent.



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