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Jetways Pulled Away From Planes  
User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

I often just like to scroll around airports by satellite view on Google Maps, which isn't always professional photography quality, and it seemed like a lot of planes were sitting at gates without the jetways attached. I always assumed that they were either blurry pictures, odd perspective or about to push back.

But this quality picture that an a.netter took shows it clearly. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...aland/Boeing-777-319/ER/2151417/L/ NZ 777 at a gate at LAX, Doors closed, jetway pulled back, and no tug, so it's obviously not pushing back immediately. I assume that this plane is sitting all day, as its LAX, so why not park it somewhere else, or if you're going to leave it at the gate, why pull the jetway back? If you want it closed off, couldn't you just pull down the security gate. It seems like it would be better not to bump a jetway into a plane any more times than necessary.

I've never worked on a ramp, so I'm just curious from those that have.

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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2852 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

Without going into detail it is for security purposes, and I will end my post with that.


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User currently onlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6972 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Jetway not attached: Prevents unauthorized access.. the airport may be a secured area, but that doesn't mean things don't go missing... yes, even from planes! Even avionics can go missing! Just close the gate at security? Errrr.. did U see the jetway's staircase?   

Why not move it elsewhere? If you don't have to move it, why should you move it? If the gate's not needed, leave the plane where it is. Towing costs money! Regardless where you park your jetliner at the airport, you still gotta pay for parking...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21881 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

So...unrelated question, but since the photo is there:

What are the black lines on the 77W's wings for?

-Mir



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

Out here there is a Security guard guarding each parked Aircraft,even if the doors are closed....keeping a watch on the Entire aircraft included is the Bulk cargo door which are sealed by a breakable seal......Lots more but then I don't think it would be advisible write about that out here.......


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User currently offlineAmericanAirFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

Besides security issues. If the airplane is left unattended it is probably a good idea to have anything that is not a part of the airplane removed from the airplane to prevent possible damage while being unattended. That was one thought I had...


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 965 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8134 times:

not going into details but could be airline policy to have it pulled.


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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8119 times:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 2):

Jetway not attached: Prevents unauthorized access..

  

Think of it like locking your car, house, office, or anything else with a lock. Not everyone is authorized to operate jetbridges at an airport. If you cannot move the jetbridge, you are basically locked out from the aircraft.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Quoting AmericanAirFan (Reply 5):
That was one thought I had...

Thats true too......damage to an Aircraft can occur with sudden wind conditions....



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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

I work as a dispatcher at MAN and drive airbridges as part of my job. As has been stated, it can be for security. Also, airbridges can be removed for towing. Here at MAN we often take the airbridge off aircraft once everybody is off and leave rear steps on, saves us having to keep going out to the aircraft. It happens a lot of the time too where we can't get to the aircraft immediately on arrival, so it can sometimes be down to us guys being delayed.

Someone mentioned the airbridge causing damage, this is rare as all airbridges have 'auto-levels', usually a wheel which ensures the airbridge remains in the same position during loading/unloading. But I suppose anything can fail so taking the bridge off can prevent any sort of accident happening.



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Where I work it's standard procedure at all airports when an aircraft is to be left unattended last person to leave must turn power off, close the doors and pull the bridge or stairs back a few feet.


What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 458 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7611 times:

I'm surprised by the amount of paranoia (for the lack of a better word) in some of the responses here. It's hardly revealing SSI to say that stairs are removed and doors are closed for security purposes. I can only speak for DL, but I'm sure it's general policy at most airlines to remove stairs and jetways, retract airstairs, and close cargo doors when aircraft are left unattended on an airport.

I was never privy to foreign or long overnight security procedures, but I'm sure there are other methods (security seal tape, etc) in place for securing an aircraft even further.

In addition to security, I'm sure the jetbridges are pulled back to prevent potential aircraft damage. If I owned an airplane, I certainly wouldn't want to leave a very powerful electric/hydraulic ram resting right against the aircraft unattended.



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User currently offlineacedriver From China, joined Nov 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7572 times:


Just to demonstrate how powerful jetways are...
As pointed out by KPWMSpotter, jetways are fairly powerful, and leaving them unattended resting on the fuselage could lead to some potential damages.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
What are the black lines on the 77W's wings for?

I remember reading somewhere that they are there to help maintenance staff check if there is any ice on the wing surface - it's easier to spot ice from a black-colored background.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 11):

In addition to security, I'm sure the jetbridges are pulled back to prevent potential aircraft damage.

True.......Even though the aerobridge is safety locked, so cannot be operated by any one Unauthorised.
Better to be keeping the area clear when unused.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5164 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 11):
I'm surprised by the amount of paranoia (for the lack of a better word) in some of the responses here.

Most aviation related employees are working under a set of rules when it comes to social media. One of those rules is that you don't discuss certain operational or security issues in public, on a public forum. It's not that these individuals here are paranoid, more that they know their comments can easily be traced back to them.

If you were to meet them face to face, likely they would be freer to comment on some of the less sensitive issues.



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User currently offlinewoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5426 times:

Jetbridge pulled back for RON aircraft so no one can access the aircraft

So the local Transportation Security Administration agents use the Pitot Static tubes, ice detectors and TAT probes to gain access to the aircraft(s) parked overnight at the gates damaging 9-10 aircraft - all the RON aurcraft are unflyable the next morning.

TSA fines said airline for not securing the aircraft overnight as the agents were able to gain access to the aircraft by climbing onto the external probes,even though the jetbridges were pulled away from the aircraft for the night.



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5389 times:
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Quoting woodreau (Reply 15):

I assume the TSA paid to place the aircraft back into service? Where is the article for that one.



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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

I believe that the TSA incident you are talking about happened to American Eagle, I can't remember what airport it was at though.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 17):
I can't remember what airport it was at though.

ORD. I want to say it was in late 2010 or early 2011.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 14):
It's not that these individuals here are paranoid, more that they know their comments can easily be traced back to them.

Fair enough. But here, it doesn't take an insider to understand the principle behind the rule, which is designed to make it harder to access the aircraft.



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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

August 19, 2008 is when it happened, you are correct that it happened in ORD.

User currently offlineqblue From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

I just wonder what was the outcome to this TSA incedent. Did TSA pay For the damage, were the agents promoted.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

Quoting qblue (Reply 20):
I just wonder what was the outcome to this TSA incedent. Did TSA pay For the damage

Wouldn't they be compelled to....since they caused the damage.



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User currently offlineMattH From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5038 times:








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[Edited 2012-12-03 20:03:17]


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User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

We pulled jetways from the aircraft pre 9/11, too, even if it was only an hour.

My guess is TSA did not pay, just reduced the fine, afterall their "expertice" is not free.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

out here....a security person mans the Aircraft when long parked with no GSE attached.


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