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707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.  
User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 889 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Hi ,
i noticed SN opretated 3 x week a Non Stop 707 services BRU -JNB . ( 1971 )
did BOAC / BA , LH , AZ , IB , OA , KL ever operate 707 or DC8 non STOP services on those days ?
I guess not .
Any comments wiill be more than welcome !
Thanks
dennys

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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3258 times:

This website should give you some old timetables:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm#Europe

LH was flying both 707s and 747s to JNB, but did not fly it non-stop in 1972:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/lh/lh72/lh72-13.jpg

IB did not fly non-stop in 1970:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/ib/ib70/ib70-01.jpg

KLM flew DC-8s only in 1971:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/kl/kl71/



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3240 times:

Can't recall any Europe-JNB nonstops using 707s or DC-8s. Especially northbound from JNB's high elevation and often high temperatures, I doubt the 707 or DC-8 would have been able to carry an economic payload on such a long nonstop sector. For example, JNB-LHR is further than SFO/LAX-LHR which were among the longer nonstops operated by the 4-engine narrowbodies, and those airports are all close to sea level.

El Al used the 707 on TLV-JNB nonstop but that's quite a bit shorter. And even there, the northbound flights always stopped at NBO if memory correct.

[Edited 2012-09-30 16:02:32]

[Edited 2012-09-30 16:03:17]

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting dennys (Thread starter):
Hi ,
i noticed SN opretated 3 x week a Non Stop 707 services BRU -JNB . ( 1971 )
did BOAC / BA , LH , AZ , IB , OA , KL ever operate 707 or DC8 non STOP services on those days ?
I guess not .
Any comments wiill be more than welcome !
Thanks
dennys

Technical stops may not have been published in a timetable.


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

AZ had a nonstop D8S FCO-JNB.

The 12/70 ABC says Sabena had an optional fuel stop at Luanda; the 1/70 and 2/71 OAGs show nothing but 1-stops on Sabena.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 3):
Technical stops may not have been published in a timetable.

I agree with that. The airline doesn't need to include the en-route fuel stop in its timetable making it look non-stop. They can just call it a 'direct flight'.

I flew in a 757 from LGW to Kenya once and it had to stop both ways to refuel.

However, didn't B. Cal fly their 707 non stop LGW to LAX?


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 5):
However, didn't B. Cal fly their 707 non stop LGW to LAX?

As did Pan Am and TWA for years LHR-LAX. I flew both Pan Am and B. Cal 707s on those routes. The B. Cal trip was very soon after they started service. The aircraft looked like new as they had modified a few 707s for use on the U.S. routes with the then-new Boeing "widebody-look" interior with overhead bins replacing the old open racks and newly-designed wall and ceiling panels. By then Pan Am and TWA were both using the 747 on LHR-LAX.

http://www.british-caledonian.com/images/PBowell002.jpg


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