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Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios  
User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 137 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3559 times:

Hi all

Just returned from a wonderful week in Portugal.

Return journey was onboard a Monarch A321 (not the best not the worst).

A crew member was taken ill and was unable to return on the flight, as a result 14 pax were unable to travel and 40 minutes of chaos ensued.

Q. as the title asks, is their a ratio of cabin crew to pax or is more to do with in case of emergency, number of exits which have to be manned?

Thanks in advance.
Simon

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User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3523 times:

The rules are governed by both seats and doors. I would suspect that you were on an A321, if that is the case then you have to have 5 cabin crew if the load is over 200. The aircraft can fly back with 4 crew in exceptional circumstances, e.g. Crew being sick, but the load has to be 200 or less, it is 150 for a three crew operation with an A320. Regarding the A321 you need to have one crew member per set of doors. I hope this helps

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Min crew on A321 in the UK is 4 due to number of doors, most common to have 5 or regularly 6 however.

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
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So if 1 of 5 cabin was unable to operate then the load would have to be reduced to 200 so that the 1:50 ratio is observed.

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
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1:40 in Canada.


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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

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User currently offlineSKC From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

/Lars


That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.



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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

1:50 in the UK I believe. Had it before where we boarded 200 passengers but had to wait for the last crew member to arrive before we could put the remaining passengers on. Standard Monarch crew is 2/5 for a 214Y Config.


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 6):
That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.

See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx....1.1.7&idno=14#14:3.0.1.1.7.13.2.6


User currently offlineSKC From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 9):
See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...3.2.6

By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2444 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

I believe he is confirming what you said, since your response is consistent with 14 CFR 121.391. FAA requirement is seating capacity, regardless of number of seats occupied for a given flight.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

Merely a confirmation.

I was wallowing in 14CFR all morning and it was an easy cut/paste for reference.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

In the US, it's 1 FA for every 50 seats. However that doesn't include variable staffing levels on different carriers. For example on the sCO side of UA a 737-900 minimum staffing is 4, however if the load is over 100 and there is a meal service in Y (i.e. breakfast sandwich or cheeseburger) then a 5th FA is added to the trip.


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 4):
1:40 in Canada.

   1:40 in Canada, for aircraft with 20 seats or more. 19 seats and under no f/a is required. Also there are minimums based on doors, for example a 737 being operated in Canada would be 1 f/a per 40 pax, but with a minimum of 2 f/as due to the exit layout.

Also there are some exceptions out there to go slightly above the standard 1:40 on specific aircraft, such as Jazz operating their 50 seat Dash-8s and CRJs with one f/a.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

ZK registered aircraft. They can operate under the nz 1:50 pax ratio its most likely jetconnect. Although nobody is doing it ZK registered aircraft ARE allowed to operate domestic Aust.


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