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Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios  
User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 134 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Hi all

Just returned from a wonderful week in Portugal.

Return journey was onboard a Monarch A321 (not the best not the worst).

A crew member was taken ill and was unable to return on the flight, as a result 14 pax were unable to travel and 40 minutes of chaos ensued.

Q. as the title asks, is their a ratio of cabin crew to pax or is more to do with in case of emergency, number of exits which have to be manned?

Thanks in advance.
Simon

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User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

The rules are governed by both seats and doors. I would suspect that you were on an A321, if that is the case then you have to have 5 cabin crew if the load is over 200. The aircraft can fly back with 4 crew in exceptional circumstances, e.g. Crew being sick, but the load has to be 200 or less, it is 150 for a three crew operation with an A320. Regarding the A321 you need to have one crew member per set of doors. I hope this helps

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Min crew on A321 in the UK is 4 due to number of doors, most common to have 5 or regularly 6 however.

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
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So if 1 of 5 cabin was unable to operate then the load would have to be reduced to 200 so that the 1:50 ratio is observed.

User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
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1:40 in Canada.


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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

/Lars



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User currently offlineSKC From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

/Lars


That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3204 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

1:50 in the UK I believe. Had it before where we boarded 200 passengers but had to wait for the last crew member to arrive before we could put the remaining passengers on. Standard Monarch crew is 2/5 for a 214Y Config.


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User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 6):
That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.

See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx....1.1.7&idno=14#14:3.0.1.1.7.13.2.6


User currently offlineSKC From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 9):
See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...3.2.6

By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

I believe he is confirming what you said, since your response is consistent with 14 CFR 121.391. FAA requirement is seating capacity, regardless of number of seats occupied for a given flight.



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

Merely a confirmation.

I was wallowing in 14CFR all morning and it was an easy cut/paste for reference.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

In the US, it's 1 FA for every 50 seats. However that doesn't include variable staffing levels on different carriers. For example on the sCO side of UA a 737-900 minimum staffing is 4, however if the load is over 100 and there is a meal service in Y (i.e. breakfast sandwich or cheeseburger) then a 5th FA is added to the trip.


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 4):
1:40 in Canada.

   1:40 in Canada, for aircraft with 20 seats or more. 19 seats and under no f/a is required. Also there are minimums based on doors, for example a 737 being operated in Canada would be 1 f/a per 40 pax, but with a minimum of 2 f/as due to the exit layout.

Also there are some exceptions out there to go slightly above the standard 1:40 on specific aircraft, such as Jazz operating their 50 seat Dash-8s and CRJs with one f/a.



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

ZK registered aircraft. They can operate under the nz 1:50 pax ratio its most likely jetconnect. Although nobody is doing it ZK registered aircraft ARE allowed to operate domestic Aust.


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