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Is The FAA Airmen Registry Complete?  
User currently offlinelenbrazil From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

An American I'm debating on another forum claimed, "I have Commercial and Airline Transport Pilot Ratings." However when I checked the FAA database I got "no results...." for his surname anywhere in the US or the foreign country he moved to a few years ago. He furthur claimed "I obtained my Private Pilot License in 1968, several years later my Commercial Rating, about 10 years later my Instrument and Multi Engine Ratings and then in 1989 my ATP" and "I haven't flown in the U.S. for some years now and therefore haven't gotten FAA medical certificates recently, either, not needing them." I know that certificates don't expire but is it possible after many years of inactivity the FAA would drop someone from the online database?

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/

Another thing that seemed odd to me was that he claimed, "I also owned a Cessna 182 and after that a Piper Twin Comanche. I have turbojet time flying as a corporate pilot." but he said nothing about flying for an airline. Would it make sense to go through the time, cost and effort to get an ATP if they were a corporate pilot?

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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting lenbrazil (Thread starter):
Would it make sense to go through the time, cost and effort to get an ATP if they were a corporate pilot?

Possibly. It depends if he wanted to be an airline pilot and was building time as a corporate pilot...you wouldn't want an airline opening to come up and be unable to take it because you didn't have your ATP.

Tom.


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Many corporate jobs require an ATP for at least the PIC.

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Quoting lenbrazil (Thread starter):

The simple answer is no, anyone can opt out of the public database. One can own and operate lots of different aircraft types without having them on a FAA licence.

A lot of corporate aircraft are registered in tax effective locations, the requirement would be to have a licence where the aircraft is registered.

As for owning aircraft, a person may own them via a trust or other corporation as well as a firewall.



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2325 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (2 years 22 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Most corporate pilots I know have an ATP.

atct



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User currently offlinelenbrazil From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 18 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 3):
The simple answer is no, anyone can opt out of the public database.

I doubt that is the case in his case, I brought up his absence from the database twice and he has yet to say he had opted out.

Thx Zeke and everyone else for your replies.


Does anyone knowof any US licensed pilots the FAA 'forgot' to include on the online database?


PS Happy Turkey Day

[Edited 2012-11-22 03:32:16]

User currently online26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 850 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 16 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

"I have Commercial and Airline Transport Pilot Ratings."

Commercial and ATP are not "ratings" they are licenses. We get an "instrument rating" or a "type rating" to add to our licenses. I would think an ATP should know this.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 3):
The simple answer is no, anyone can opt out of the public database. One can own and operate lots of different aircraft types without having them on a FAA licence.

They can opt out, but generally that just removes information as to residence or things that might be personal information. All the big name Hollywood types that are pilots are in the database. Harrison Ford, Angelina Jolie, Morgan Freeman, etc...

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21795 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Commercial and ATP are not "ratings" they are licenses. We get an "instrument rating" or a "type rating" to add to our licenses. I would think an ATP should know this.

Technically, commercial and ATP aren't licenses, they're certificates. The terminology gets mixed around a lot, even by those with lots of experience, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1639 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Commercial and ATP are not "ratings" they are licenses.

If you really want to split hairs, they're technically not "licenses," but rather "certificates."  



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1391 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Commercial and ATP are not "ratings" they are licenses. We get an "instrument rating" or a "type rating" to add to our licenses. I would think an ATP should know this.

Technically, commercial and ATP aren't licenses, they're certificates. The terminology gets mixed around a lot, even by those with lots of experience, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

That was my feeling. I hold (currently) an A&P, PPL, and Dispatch Certificates. Nowhere, at all, on any of those, does it say "license." That's not just a split hair to me, since "license" and "Certificate" mean different things according to the gov't.

26.2, yes, a few things seem a little fishy about the story as presented, but when we have professionals who intermingle the above mentioned terms, this guy is just fine to call them "ratings."



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 9):
If you really want to split hairs, they're technically not "licenses," but rather "certificates."

ICAO says they are licences. ICAO also has separate multi-engine and instrument ratings, these are included in the FAA ATP certificate.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1595 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 hour ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 11):
ICAO says they are licences.

It doesn't matter what ICAO calls them. ICAO is advisory in nature only, and they don't issue certificates.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 12):
It doesn't matter what ICAO calls them. ICAO is advisory in nature only, and they don't issue certificates.

ICAO do issue some certificates, however they do not issue pilot licences. The FAA does not develop international standards, the certification process in the US is not even consistent across various industries within the US. e.g, do you hold a drivers licence or drivers certificate ?

ICAO do not see that any aviation related activity as a right (i.e. certificate), they see it as a privilege extended by the contracting state (i.e. a licence), same as driving a car. My other licences issued by ICAO contracting states are all the same format, with item II indicating the type of licence.

BTW ICAO is more than just advisory, they develop, maintain, and co-ordinate THE international SARPs, each contracting state, including the US notifies ICAO where they differ with their local procedures from the international SARPs, these are then promulgated to other contracting states.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1391 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 13):

ICAO do issue some certificates, however they do not issue pilot licences.

Nobody issues pilot licenses, since those don't exist*.

Quoting zeke (Reply 13):
The FAA does not develop international standards, the certification process in the US is not even consistent across various industries within the US. e.g, do you hold a drivers licence or drivers certificate ?

Correct, they don't. But they do not issue licenses either; their database includes only Certificates in this matter.

The US issues neither Driving Licenses nor Certificates. This is handled strictly at the State level (which I personally don't agree with, but that's another story).

A license can only be issued, suspended, and/or revoked by, a state or nation. Regulatory authorities issue Certificates, and do not have the authority to issue licenses. That is the bulk of the difference. I very much doubt that the FAA sees a Certificate as a "right"; most items that can suspend or revoke a Driving License in the US will have similar results for any of your Airmen Certificates as well. So there is that...


*My statement refers entirely to the US, as this is what the thread pertains to. Other national authorities may do this differently, but since we're talking about the FAA's database here...



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):

*My statement refers entirely to the US, as this is what the thread pertains to. Other national authorities may do this differently, but since we're talking about the FAA's database here...

The person in question has moved from the US, if you care to review the OP.



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User currently offlinelenbrazil From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 15):
Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):

*My statement refers entirely to the US, as this is what the thread pertains to. Other national authorities may do this differently, but since we're talking about the FAA's database here...

The person in question has moved from the US, if you care to review the OP.

Just for clarity's sake he was born in and lived most of his life in the US. He claims to have been issued FAA certificates 1968 - 89, he moved to Thailand a few years ago but seems to have since moved back to the US. Thus I check for the US and Thailand then Canada. He has an unusual surname, no one with it is listed, not at least in those countries.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting lenbrazil (Reply 16):

I did check their details for you, they do have an FAA ATP. Check your PMs, (i.e. click on where it says 1 new message above right in yellow).



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User currently offlinelenbrazil From Brazil, joined Apr 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 17):
Quoting lenbrazil (Reply 16):

I did check their details for you, they do have an FAA ATP. Check your PMs, (i.e. click on where it says 1 new message above right in yellow).

Wierd I just checked again and still get the same results as before, "No records found based on search criteria provided above." Are you using this link, https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airmeninquiry/ , or a different one? When I use more common names I get several hits.

Does anyone else want to check? His user name on the forum is "R. Ryckoff"

[Edited 2012-11-24 06:04:44]

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