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FedEx Feeder Crew Question  
User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

I've often wondered where FedEx feeder crews call 'home.' Here in GRR, FX sends C208's out to TVC, PLN, and CIU. Flights usually depart GRR between 0700 and 0730 local, and arrive back in GRR between 2000 and 2100 local. What does the pilot do during the day at these out stations? Do they make those outstations 'home', or in my example make GRR 'home'? Is GRR merely an overnight crash pad? Unlike mainline FX crews which may only be in hub cities (MEM, IND) a few hours each night, the feeder pilots have significant down time on both ends. I know there are many other examples like this across the FX network..... MKE for example sends C208's to CMX, ESC, IMT, RHI, and SAW.

Just curious.....


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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

I've seen it work both ways, but in general pilots tend to be based at the "hub" while the airline maintains an apartment (or small house if the pilots are outstation based) with a beater car at the outstation. It will vary as these FedEx feeders are actaully operated by a variety of local partner airlines much in the same way as regional airlines operate in the passengers world.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Wont FDTL rest be considered in between......


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

I have heard of those pilots finding some part time work at the out station. I makes sense bascially the flying is their commute there. With the money they make flying two flights a day they need the extra money. For the part time job to work the pilot would have to be based on the same flight every day of course which I think is the case. Anyone here of that? Do the pilots get put on one route only? Or does it depend how big the station is.


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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Mountain Air Cargo and others typically pay their pilots a salary. If they didn't, they would never be able to find pilots. From my experience they are based at whatever outstation they start their route in. They then fly to the hub, sit until morning and fly back out to the outstation. While they are sitting at the hub they are for all practical purposes, on duty. I don't know of any that maintain housing. You're on your own for that.

We handled a lot of cargo including UPS and DHL feeders back when I worked at an FBO and it wasn't uncommon for the smaller feeder companies to have an on-demand charter side of operation as well. It wasn't unusual for feeder pilots to do an on-demand run during the night since they had upwards of 8 hours in between feeder flights.



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

It depends, but for the most part pilots are assigned a regular route. I believe they are generally salaried, so its not like they're being paid less due to the lack of flight time (they're being paid less because the salary is low).


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User currently offlinefuelfool From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

There are a number of FX feeder flights that leave IND, and return empty after they make their flights. Not sure if that is done at MEM.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3500 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 week 11 hours 4 minutes ago) and read 1151 times:

At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 week 10 hours 23 minutes ago) and read 1121 times:

Is the OP just talking about the Caravan pilots or all FedEx Feeder crews?

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?

Probably the ATR. I think its the next size up on the FedEx fleet. Then I guess the 757 is next?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6049 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 days 23 hours 13 minutes ago) and read 966 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?

The ATR might be a little too heavy an airframe for single pilot, but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.



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User currently offlineboeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 days 20 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 932 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):
Then I guess the 757 is next?

The 757 is mainline and not a feeder aircraft. The C208 and ATR's are the only FedEx feeder aircraft in the fleet.

Cheers,

John



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 days 19 hours 50 minutes ago) and read 914 times:

Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 10):
The 757 is mainline and not a feeder aircraft. The C208 and ATR's are the only FedEx feeder aircraft in the fleet.

I know. I was talking about the FedEx fleet as a whole.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 days 19 hours 32 minutes ago) and read 907 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
The ATR might be a little too heavy an airframe for single pilot, but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.

To my knowledge the EMB-120 type certificate requires two pilots.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2298 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (6 days 16 hours 38 minutes ago) and read 844 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.

As far as I know there are no E-120's flying cargo in Alaska. Everts has 1 (possibly 2 now...if not flying at least on property) and it is two man crewed. TransNorthern flies Metroliners (formerly for FedEx, now UPS) single pilot and some flights with 2.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6049 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 days 16 hours 25 minutes ago) and read 839 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):

To my knowledge the EMB-120 type certificate requires two pilots.

Yes; however, I believe there's an exemption, but I can't seem to find any information on it. Everts Air Cargo had an incident a few years ago involving an E-120, and I strongly believe it was single pilot. I could be wrong, though (If I could find the detailed incident report, that is.)



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 days 16 hours 15 minutes ago) and read 834 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 14):
Yes; however, I believe there's an exemption, but I can't seem to find any information on it. Everts Air Cargo had an incident a few years ago involving an E-120, and I strongly believe it was single pilot. I could be wrong, though (If I could find the detailed incident report, that is.)

There is not, as I'm quite certain my company would be doing it, as cheap as they are, on our E120's.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 days 7 hours 34 minutes ago) and read 674 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
I have heard of those pilots finding some part time work at the out station. I makes sense bascially the flying is their commute there. With the money they make flying two flights a day they need the extra money. For the part time job to work the pilot would have to be based on the same flight every day of course which I think is the case. Anyone here of that? Do the pilots get put on one route only? Or does it depend how big the station is.

That sounds horribly inefficient. Every airline I know of bases crews at the hub, and they fly different routes all the time.



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 days 3 hours 24 minutes ago) and read 633 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 16):
That sounds horribly inefficient. Every airline I know of bases crews at the hub, and they fly different routes all the time.

With the small feed package market in the US, this is common and does make sense. A pilot ends up spending more time in the outstation than they do in the "hub" and additionally in many places the aircraft flies to the outstation Saturday morning and doesn't come back until Monday evening. 1 pilot, 1 aircraft, 1 route, you fly the same route every day.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 days 20 hours 55 minutes ago) and read 584 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 17):
With the small feed package market in the US, this is common and does make sense. A pilot ends up spending more time in the outstation than they do in the "hub" and additionally in many places the aircraft flies to the outstation Saturday morning and doesn't come back until Monday evening. 1 pilot, 1 aircraft, 1 route, you fly the same route every day.

Interesting, thanks for the info. How do they handle sick calls and charters?



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 days 15 hours 38 minutes ago) and read 485 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 18):
Interesting, thanks for the info. How do they handle sick calls and charters?

Generally, a spare pilot/plane in the hub, who sits reserve.

-DiamondFlyer


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