JumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 50 Posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5843 times:
What are some sayings you don't hear much anymore between pilots and atc.
The one that comes to my mind is an operational saying ¨Cleared at takeoff ¨ pilots could easily mistake it for cleared for takeoff as we saw with the KLM accident at tenerife.
What are some others
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8537 posts, RR: 78 Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5839 times:
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8537 posts, RR: 78 Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5788 times:
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Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2): Is this line up and wait what all countries use or just a select few.
I know its used here in Australia also.
As far as I know it is like that in most countries. I can only think of the US where it was different. But I haven't been everywhere
So maybe there are countries out there who does it differently.
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8537 posts, RR: 78 Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5774 times:
26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5708 times:
Here's one: I haven't heard ATC say to "Report the outer marker" for years. They now say to report a fix usually identified by GPS. Maybe this is just a change in the US....not sure. Anybody reporting the marker any more?
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8537 posts, RR: 78 Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5679 times:
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Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6): Anybody reporting the marker any more?
You are right, haven't heard that for a long time. Most of the time it is 'report XXXXX' or 'repost 6 miles out', but the outer marker is dying out...
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 5): I don't know. But they changed it about a year ago or so. Maybe they recognized they were the only using different phrasiology than all the others...
That's why they did it...the FAA has been excited about runway incursions for several years and they realized they weren't helping themselves by using a different phrase than everyone else.
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 8537 posts, RR: 78 Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5609 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10): its normally "Line up and hold" out here.......
Never heard that in India myself. I always heard "line up and wait"....
26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5582 times:
Another: ...perhaps a stretch....In the US we no longer hear ATC say temp in Fahrenheit. Some of us still miss the old SA (METAR) and FA (TAF). Nothing wrong with metric but temp in F is what the US still uses (like it or not) almost exclusively outside of aviation.
unattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2243 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5207 times:
Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1): This has changed now to the standard: "Line up and wait"
This is an accepted ICAO phrase. The FAA has changed several of it's "laws" to better fit with ICAO standards.
Pihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 3588 posts, RR: 72 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4731 times:
Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 16): Oh yes the concord.
What a sad thing no one will ever hear that again.
Some ATCOs still allow climbing cruise between LAX and Tahiti PPT. So "cleared block 350 to 390" is still heard.
All the Q codes have completely disappeared : Last ones around are QNH / QFE and that's about it.
GGP, number in the approach sequence is still talked about , QFU, runway orientation -just the number nowadays...
Gone is the QGO :,closed due to weather, killed by Cat III B !
In the US the tower said for many years: "Taxi into position and hold". This has changed now to the standard: "Line up and wait".
wilco737
Which, whenever I heard it, was always abbreviated to "Position and Hold". I used to love acknowledging a Position and Hold clearance when I was giving kids a ride in the Cessna for the first time It just sounded so cool...
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atct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2044 posts, RR: 40 Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4614 times:
Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 18): "Turn left to XXX for radar identification."
It usually "Turn thirty degrees left/right for radar ident" and I say it at least once a week. Its used for aircraft that are negative transponder and there are alot of those up here in Alaska.
atct
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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4556 times:
Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
'The no smoking sign is off'
Brilliant.......
Think of the brighter side!
25 Zkpilot: Well most have moved on from calling airports aerodromes or airfields but there are still many pilots who use those terms... sounds very military/pre-
26 Viscount724: Canada also used the US wording until fairly recent years. Not sure but I believe Canada may have adopted the ICAO wording "Line up and wait" before
28 longhauler: The US, (and Canadian) phraseology of "Cleared to position and hold" (which meant taxi ONTO the runway but don't take off) was too confusing with the
29 IAHFLYR: Not many NDB approach clearances out there in the U.S. Very true however; many runway incursions were not caused by "position and hold" rather by folk
30 zeke: I have not heard a "security security security" transmission in a long long time, not even sure if a lot of the younger pilots would know what it mean
31 Boeing77W: I've heard it a few times in the UK. Mainly from Scottish ACC. I'm still yet to be told an official definition so if you wouldn't mind sharing... [Ed
34 BoeingGuy: How about, "The Captain would like to see you."
35 Stitch: To do so probably contravenes the Official Secrets Act. [Edited 2012-12-06 10:32:51]
36 xjramper: Decimal in lieu of point. "Contact xxx approach now on 131 decimal 75." Contact Meigs tower.
37 jumbojim747: What about hold outer marker? Is it me or have they stopped using that one.
38 zeke: Quoting some relevant regulations... "Safety signal (1) The safety signal shall be transmitted when an aircraft wishes to transmit a message concerni
39 320tech: I always abbreviated it to "To position". The controller never questioned whether I was going to hold or not. Now I just say line up and wait, which
41 jumbojim747: Dont know what got over me but completely forgot it was bought up sorry about that. And yes love the outer marker
42 BE77: "Navigator next heading please", etc. "Engineer say status of engines", etc. "Stewardess please bring me a coffee"
43 longhauler: I used to think that SCATANA was an unnecessary thing of the past .... until September 11, 2001. I will never forget being over the Canadian prairies
44 BoeingGuy: Or "Climb Power!" to the Flight Engineer or First Officer.[Edited 2012-12-07 09:15:49]
45 saafnav: We still use it all the time luckily... Unfortunately, we only have loadmasters for coffee, not hosties, so it remains stricktly coffee only
46 BE77: Well, with more and more integrated services, nothing says there can't be women as loadies or drivers either! Sorry all - I admit I was only consider
47 KELPkid: Waay before my time, but how about "Six Turning, Four Burning?" Bonus points for whoever names the aircraft that goes with that
49 Jetlagged: Convair B-36D (and later variants). You don't hear port and starboard for engines these days, nor inner and outer when you have four of them. Engines
50 bond007: I thought it was officially "Securité, Securité, Securité " BTW, I do still here this in a marine context (and the French pronunciation) when on m
51 saafnav: Haha no problem. We have a female Navigator and one female C-130 Commander in South Africa, but the loadmasters are still men only - due to the heavy
53 C172Akula: That's a good one, I was supposed to go up for a flight that morning during my instructor rating. Everything happened before the flight, but the flig
54 longhauler: Great idea! I laminated and mounted the Data-link. Our crew ... me, the F/O and three F/As still meet every year on September 11. It was an awful wee
55 B777LRF: Flight Engineer: Captain! We seem to have lost engine no. 3. Skipper: On which side?
56 tb727: Not for those of us lucky enough to still be flying steam for a living
57 KELPkid: I guess I always heard the B-36 version: Captain: "Feather three!" Flight Engineer: "Which three?"
58 Viscount724: Related excerpt from the Wikipedia article on the B-36: Much more than other large aircraft powered by piston engines, the B-36 was very prone to eng
59 Alias1024: Maybe in the US, but decimal is certainly used in other countries. Just head up to Canada and you will hear decimal instead of point. Just one of the
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