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Aviation Sayings You Dont Hear Anymore.  
User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6720 times:
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What are some sayings you don't hear much anymore between pilots and atc.
The one that comes to my mind is an operational saying ¨Cleared at takeoff ¨ pilots could easily mistake it for cleared for takeoff as we saw with the KLM accident at tenerife.
What are some others


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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6716 times:
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Quoting JumboJim747 (Thread starter):

In the US the tower said for many years: "Taxi into position and hold". This has changed now to the standard: "Line up and wait".

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6689 times:
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Hey Wilco hows things.
Is this line up and wait what all countries use or just a select few.
I know its used here in Australia also.
Cheers



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
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Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
Is this line up and wait what all countries use or just a select few.
I know its used here in Australia also.

As far as I know it is like that in most countries. I can only think of the US where it was different. But I haven't been everywhere 
So maybe there are countries out there who does it differently.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2035 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):

What was the rationale for the change?

Thinking about the Tenerife disaster (where unclear phraseology played a role):

- as long as I hear "taxi", I'm restricted to taxiways
- as soon as I hear "line up", I can move onto the runway?


David



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6651 times:
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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
What was the rationale for the change?

I don't know. But they changed it about a year ago or so. Maybe they recognized they were the only using different phrasiology than all the others...

wilco737
  



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Here's one: I haven't heard ATC say to "Report the outer marker" for years. They now say to report a fix usually identified by GPS. Maybe this is just a change in the US....not sure. Anybody reporting the marker any more?

[Edited 2012-12-01 07:22:09]

User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6556 times:
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Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Anybody reporting the marker any more?

You are right, haven't heard that for a long time. Most of the time it is 'report XXXXX' or 'repost 6 miles out', but the outer marker is dying out...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
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Yes i agree with that havent heard that for a while.


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 5):
I don't know. But they changed it about a year ago or so. Maybe they recognized they were the only using different phrasiology than all the others...

That's why they did it...the FAA has been excited about runway incursions for several years and they realized they weren't helping themselves by using a different phrase than everyone else.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):
"Line up and wait"

its normally "Line up and hold" out here.......



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
its normally "Line up and hold" out here.......

Never heard that in India myself. I always heard "line up and wait"....

wilco737
  

[Edited 2012-12-01 10:17:17]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 11):

Never heard that in India myself. I always head "line up and wait"...

Oddly heard the phrase only last night......

Another common one thats decreasing is the typical "Namashkar".....esp with the AI Crew.



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

Another: ...perhaps a stretch....In the US we no longer hear ATC say temp in Fahrenheit. Some of us still miss the old SA (METAR) and FA (TAF). Nothing wrong with metric but temp in F is what the US still uses (like it or not) almost exclusively outside of aviation.

At least we're not using Octas...yet.


User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 7):
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Anybody reporting the marker any more?

You are right, haven't heard that for a long time. Most of the time it is 'report XXXXX' or 'repost 6 miles out', but the outer marker is dying out...

You will still hear "Maintaing xxx knots until the OM" occasionally



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User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

JumbpJim747

It's over nine years since I last heard this:

....Speedbird 1 at UPGAS climb in the block FL450 - FL600, accelerate Mach 2....

     

Best Regards

Bellerophon


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6123 times:
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Oh yes the concord.
What a sad thing no one will ever hear that again.



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User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2310 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):
This has changed now to the standard: "Line up and wait"

This is an accepted ICAO phrase. The FAA has changed several of it's "laws" to better fit with ICAO standards.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

"Turn left to XXX for radar identification."

User currently offlineIRISH251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 959 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Don't know when I last heard the request "what's your [VOR] radial and DME from XXX?"

User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4143 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5608 times:
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Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 16):
Oh yes the concord.
What a sad thing no one will ever hear that again.

Some ATCOs still allow climbing cruise between LAX and Tahiti PPT. So "cleared block 350 to 390" is still heard.

All the Q codes have completely disappeared : Last ones around are QNH / QFE and that's about it.
GGP, number in the approach sequence is still talked about , QFU, runway orientation -just the number nowadays...
Gone is the QGO :,closed due to weather, killed by Cat III B !



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 1):


In the US the tower said for many years: "Taxi into position and hold". This has changed now to the standard: "Line up and wait".

wilco737

Which, whenever I heard it, was always abbreviated to "Position and Hold". I used to love acknowledging a Position and Hold clearance when I was giving kids a ride in the Cessna for the first time  It just sounded so cool...  



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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 18):
"Turn left to XXX for radar identification."

It usually "Turn thirty degrees left/right for radar ident" and I say it at least once a week. Its used for aircraft that are negative transponder and there are alot of those up here in Alaska.

atct



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

'The no smoking sign is off'


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):

'The no smoking sign is off'

Brilliant.......  



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Well most have moved on from calling airports aerodromes or airfields but there are still many pilots who use those terms... sounds very military/pre-jetage.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 3):
Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
Is this line up and wait what all countries use or just a select few.
I know its used here in Australia also.

As far as I know it is like that in most countries. I can only think of the US where it was different. But I haven't been everywhere

Canada also used the US wording until fairly recent years. Not sure but I believe Canada may have adopted the ICAO wording "Line up and wait" before the US did.


User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5342 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

"Keep your shoes on"


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
What was the rationale for the change?

The US, (and Canadian) phraseology of "Cleared to position and hold" (which meant taxi ONTO the runway but don't take off) was too confusing with the ICAO, "Cleared to holding position", (which mean taxi to, but HOLD SHORT, of the runway).

Now that "line up and wait", has replaced "cleared to position and hold" there is less confusion.

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 19):
Don't know when I last heard the request "what's your [VOR] radial and DME from XXX?"

Every day in the Caribbean!



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Not many NDB approach clearances out there in the U.S.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):
That's why they did it...the FAA has been excited about runway incursions for several years and they realized they weren't helping themselves by using a different phrase than everyone else.


Very true however; many runway incursions were not caused by "position and hold" rather by folks simply not stopping at on the taxiway when they were told to "hold short of Runway XX on Taxiway XX" after reading the clearance back to the controllers.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8638 posts, RR: 75
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

I have not heard a "security security security" transmission in a long long time, not even sure if a lot of the younger pilots would know what it means.


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User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 30):
I have not heard a "security security security" transmission in a long long time, not even sure if a lot of the younger pilots would know what it means.

I've heard it a few times in the UK. Mainly from Scottish ACC.

I'm still yet to be told an official definition so if you wouldn't mind sharing...  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2012-12-06 09:26:31]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 27):
"Keep your shoes on"

Where was that used?.



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User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 30):
I have not heard a "security security security" transmission in a long long time, not even sure if a lot of the younger pilots would know what it means.

Please inform us!



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

How about, "The Captain would like to see you."

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29671 posts, RR: 84
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5287 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 30):
I have not heard a "security security security" transmission in a long long time, not even sure if a lot of the younger pilots would know what it means.
Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 31):
I'm still yet to be told an official definition so if you wouldn't mind sharing...     

To do so probably contravenes the Official Secrets Act.  

[Edited 2012-12-06 10:32:51]

User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2448 posts, RR: 51
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Decimal in lieu of point. "Contact xxx approach now on 131 decimal 75."

Contact Meigs tower.



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User currently offlinejumbojim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
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What about hold outer marker?
Is it me or have they stopped using that one.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8638 posts, RR: 75
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 31):

I'm still yet to be told an official definition so if you wouldn't mind sharing...

Quoting some relevant regulations...

"Safety signal

(1) The safety signal shall be transmitted when an aircraft wishes to transmit a message concerning the safety of navigation or to give important meteorological warnings.

(2) The safety signal shall be sent before the call and:

(a) in the case of radiotelegraphy shall consist of 3 repetitions of the group TTT (— — —), sent with the letters of each group and the successive groups clearly separated from each other; and

(b) in the case of radiotelephony shall consist of the word ‘SECURITY’, repeated 3 times."



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User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
Which, whenever I heard it, was always abbreviated to "Position and Hold". I used to love acknowledging a Position and Hold clearance when I was giving kids a ride in the Cessna for the first time  It just sounded so cool...  

I always abbreviated it to "To position". The controller never questioned whether I was going to hold or not. Now I just say line up and wait, which definitely lacks in the cool department.

I was told the reason it was changed was because some unfortunate pilot heard the instruction as "to position and go", which was not the right idea.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2448 posts, RR: 51
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quoting jumbojim747 (Reply 37):
What about hold outer marker?
Is it me or have they stopped using that one.

Love that outer marker, don't ya?  
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Here's one: I haven't heard ATC say to "Report the outer marker" for years. They now say to
report a fix usually identified by GPS. Maybe this is just a change in the US....not sure. Anybody reporting the marker any more?
Quoting Wilco737 (Reply 7):
Quoting 26point2 (Reply 6):
Anybody reporting the marker any more?

You are right, haven't heard that for a long time. Most of the time it is 'report XXXXX' or 'repost 6 miles out', but the outer marker is dying out...

wilco737
  
Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 8):
Yes i agree with that havent heard that for a while.



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlinejumbojim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 45
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5047 times:
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Dont know what got over me but completely forgot it was bought up sorry about that.
And yes love the outer marker  



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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

"Navigator next heading please", etc.
"Engineer say status of engines", etc.
"Stewardess please bring me a coffee"



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

I used to think that SCATANA was an unnecessary thing of the past .... until September 11, 2001.

I will never forget being over the Canadian prairies calmly sipping a coffee when Winnipeg ATC broadcast ...

"Attention, SCATANA is now in effect, I repeat, SCATANA is now if effect, all aircraft must last as soon as possible while the Department of Defence takes over control of North American airspace". I looked at the F/O, blinked, and asked "Did I really just hear that?"

For the record, SCATANA has since been replaced with ESCAT.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 42):
"Navigator next heading please", etc.
"Engineer say status of engines", etc.
"Stewardess please bring me a coffee"

Or "Climb Power!" to the Flight Engineer or First Officer.

[Edited 2012-12-07 09:15:49]

User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 42):
"Navigator next heading please", etc.
"Engineer say status of engines", etc.
"Stewardess please bring me a coffee"

We still use it all the time luckily... Unfortunately, we only have loadmasters for coffee, not hosties, so it remains stricktly coffee only 



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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Quoting saafnav (Reply 45):
We still use it all the time luckily

Well, with more and more integrated services, nothing says there can't be women as loadies or drivers either!

Sorry all - I admit I was only considering civil transport for all three of these - not to disrespect those in blue or green painted aircraft!



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Waay before my time, but how about
"Six Turning, Four Burning?"  

Bonus points for whoever names the aircraft that goes with that  



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 47):
Bonus points for whoever names the aircraft that goes with that

Convair B36?



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 24
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 47):
Bonus points for whoever names the aircraft that goes with that

Convair B-36D (and later variants).

You don't hear port and starboard for engines these days, nor inner and outer when you have four of them. Engines are just numbers now.



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5342 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 38):
(b) in the case of radiotelephony shall consist of the word ‘SECURITY’, repeated 3 times."

I thought it was officially "Securité, Securité, Securité "

BTW, I do still here this in a marine context (and the French pronunciation) when on my boat, to warn of large ships entering or leaving the channel.


Jimbo



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User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 46):

Well, with more and more integrated services, nothing says there can't be women as loadies or drivers either!

Sorry all - I admit I was only considering civil transport for all three of these - not to disrespect those in blue or green painted aircraft!

Haha no problem.

We have a female Navigator and one female C-130 Commander in South Africa, but the loadmasters are still men only - due to the heavy lifting etc.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4094 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Z8Oz9NgH4


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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 43):
I used to think that SCATANA was an unnecessary thing of the past .... until September 11, 2001.

I will never forget being over the Canadian prairies calmly sipping a coffee when Winnipeg ATC broadcast ...

"Attention, SCATANA is now in effect, I repeat, SCATANA is now if effect, all aircraft must last as soon as possible while the Department of Defence takes over control of North American airspace". I looked at the F/O, blinked, and asked "Did I really just hear that?"

For the record, SCATANA has since been replaced with ESCAT.

That's a good one, I was supposed to go up for a flight that morning during my instructor rating. Everything happened before the flight, but the flight school got the fax indicating the SCATANA plan was in effect. I made a copy and have kept it as one for the personal history books.


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 53):
I made a copy and have kept it as one for the personal history books.

Great idea! I laminated and mounted the Data-link.

Our crew ... me, the F/O and three F/As still meet every year on September 11. It was an awful week to be away from home, that was made easier with company.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

Flight Engineer: Captain! We seem to have lost engine no. 3.
Skipper: On which side?



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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 44):
Or "Climb Power!" to the Flight Engineer or First Officer.

Not for those of us lucky enough to still be flying steam for a living 



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 55):
Flight Engineer: Captain! We seem to have lost engine no. 3.
Skipper: On which side?

I guess I always heard the B-36 version:

Captain: "Feather three!"
Flight Engineer: "Which three?"
 



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 57):
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 55):
Flight Engineer: Captain! We seem to have lost engine no. 3.
Skipper: On which side?

I guess I always heard the B-36 version:

Captain: "Feather three!"
Flight Engineer: "Which three?"

Related excerpt from the Wikipedia article on the B-36:

Much more than other large aircraft powered by piston engines, the B-36 was very prone to engine fires, to the extent that some crews changed the phrase "six turning, four burning" into "two turning, two burning, two smoking, two joking, and two unaccounted for."


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2715 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 36):
Decimal in lieu of point. "Contact xxx approach now on 131 decimal 75."

Maybe in the US, but decimal is certainly used in other countries. Just head up to Canada and you will hear decimal instead of point. Just one of the many differences between US ATC and other nations around the world.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8638 posts, RR: 75
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 59):
Maybe in the US, but decimal is certainly used in other countries.

"decimal" is the ICAO standard.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 59):
Maybe in the US, but decimal is certainly used in other countries. Just head up to Canada and you will hear decimal instead of point. Just one of the many differences between US ATC and other nations around the world.

Isn't it universal?.

[Edited 2012-12-19 02:47:39]


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