jodoloy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
What is the general minimum age that airlines are willing to hire at? I am currently set to graduate college in 2015, at the age of 20. I am wondering if I am going to have some waiting to do before anyone will actually hire me.
DLx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1905 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
For what job? You can be a ramp agent at 18. Considering you're going to college and want to work for an airline, I assume you want more of a professional career like airline management or a pilot position? Most airlines hire pilots at age 23.
ABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 850 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3159 times:
If it is for Fleet service/Customer service on the ground. Some regionals may start you at 18. You must have a drivers license in order to operate equipment. I started in 1981 at the age of 17, but only 2 weeks before my 18th birthday. I was the baby in the CRP station at the time. Sometime thru my career I recall working with someone that was 18. He could not go out and drink with us after work, at an airline employee hangout there in ABQ. As for Inflight Cabin Crews? You must be 21, since alcohol is served on flights. Rather basic answer to your question. Hope it helps.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3131 times:
Regional or Mainline? You may be in a good spot for the mainline retirements, but you may not have enough hours. I believe you need to be 21 or 23 for mainline, not sure. You need about 1500 hours minimum for mainline IIRC, but I think there are plenty of regional guys with thousands of hours already. I know you added you want to be a pilot, but you may need to be even more specific...
tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
Quoting jodoloy (Reply 5): My dream is to be a pilot for Southwest Airlines. I am hoping that the FAA decides to lower the requirements to 1000 hours for college graduates.
You are most likely going to have to instruct some and maybe even work some 135 job for a couple years before maybe even getting to a regional. Get some good experience and keep that dream in your sights and you will go far. I started at a 135 company at age 20 first answering phones, then I pulled gear in Lears and am still with them a dozen years later on their 727's now waiting for hiring at the big airlines to fire up one of these years. I'm just building experience and racking up PIC time in an awesome airplane I never thought I would get to fly. It was a lot of hard work but you can do it if I did it. Have fun and be safe along the way. Work hard and you could make it to SWA by 30 hopefully.
There are a few of us on here that took different routes in aviation that you can PM if you ever need advice and I'm one of them.
woodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2918 times:
The restricted ATP at 1000hrs with the lowered age to 21 is just a proposal. No final rule has been issued by the FAA yet. Under the current FAA proposal the reduced age and flight time for the restricted ATP is for college graduates graduating from an aviation college with an aviation related degree.
The only thing that is required now is an ATP to fly at a Part 121 air carrier. So starting in Aug 2013 the minimum age to fly for a US airline is 23.
As far as I know pretty much all airlines have their practical minimum age for hire is 23 due to the public law requiring the ATP certificate.
Bonus animus sit, ab experientia. Quod salvatum fuerit de malis usu venit judicium.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
Over here, if you do an apprenticeship for a vocational trade (merchant, mechanic, etc.) with an airline, they will hire you as soon as you have a highschool diploma, usually at the age of 16-17. You´ll get paid during your apprenticeship (though it is more like a better pocket money, it gets better the farther you progress with your apprenticeship, a fist year apprentice earns much less than a third year one close to his journeyman exams), but the airline on the other hand can expect you to be on time and to obey the rules like any other worker.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4196 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2884 times:
The minimum to get picked up by any airline by that time will be 1500 hours. I would not count on a reduced time as that could only disappoint if it doesn't happen!
To be competitive for a carrier like Southwest, you will need at least 1000 hours in command of a jet aircraft and around 4000-5000 hours total time.
Plan on building your time until you have enough to get hired by a regional airline- 1500 hours has long been what is necessary to get hired just by competitiveness for jobs. It was 1700 hours before I could get a call a short 9 years ago!
From there, you'll build time at the regional and upgrade to captain after a few years. After you have 1000 hours as captain of a jet or turboprop, you are the considered "competitive" for a major carrier. Of course, this can vary! It was extremely competitive when I was trying to get hired at a major, and I couldn't get a call until I had almost 2000 hours of jet captain time. A couple years later after the pool had been drained, people that weren't even captains were getting calls. It all depends on where the cycle is!
I would stay away from aviation colleges- they are much more expensive and it's harder to build time there (lots of other people trying to build their time means fewer opportunities). I went to a regular major university, got a non-aviation degree and got my licenses at the local FBO. They offered me a job teaching, and I did that my junior and senior year while also moonlighting flying various corporate charters and such. I was able to graduate college with 1500 hours! You'd be hard pressed to find any ERAU or UND people that did anywhere close to that!
This is probably the best answer. No one is ever going to come out of college and fly for Southwest right off the bat. Plus Southwest requires a 737 type rating to fly for them, as in you go out and pay for one yourself.
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 11): You'd be hard pressed to find any ERAU or UND people that did anywhere close to that!
jodoloy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
Yes, I am actually currently a student at UND's flight program. I have around 110 hours. UND has one of the most poorly run flight training operations to be honest with you. Which is why I am leaving for a different institution.
tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
Quoting jodoloy (Reply 14): Yes, I am actually currently a student at UND's flight program. I have around 110 hours. UND has one of the most poorly run flight training operations to be honest with you. Which is why I am leaving for a different institution.
Agreed, if you are leaving UND, go to a school near your parents or something and live with them if possible. Put all that money you would save on an apartment and fly with it. I did that and also worked full time and came out with no debt, a nice clean slate. It also doesn't matter what your degree is in. Pick something outside aviation to fall back on and to stay a well rounded person. I wish I did that, I picked Aviation Management because I would like to do that if I couldn't fly but honestly, I think it would have been more fun to pick something that I find interesting outside airplanes.
Quoting alaska737 (Reply 12): Plus Southwest requires a 737 type rating to fly for them, as in you go out and pay for one yourself.
Luckily they don't require it for the interview anymore like they did about 10 years back! I think now you have "x" amount of time to get it if you get hired.
highflyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Right now, as is already covered, you need to be 23 by Aug 1, 2013 and thereafter with 1500 hours to be hired by an airline.
You will have to start off at a regional carrier, small corporate flight department, or a charter operation prior to making the jump to a major carrier. Even then, some major carriers (southwest, to be specific) require a certain number of hours as a CAPTAIN prior to them accepting your application. If you add up time building, getting hired at a regional airline, and upgrading to captain and getting you 1000 PIC of a jet, you are looking at a large amount of time measured in years.
My advice to you is to enjoy the road ahead and have fun time building. I instructed for over 2 years and enjoyed it, and now am living the regional life flying the CRJ for a major regional carrier here in the US. While not glorious, i love my job, and while there are plenty of things that could be better, eventually some day i'll make the move to a larger carrier with a etter quality of life.
And a very, very good piece of advice: make sure you never tell someone in the industry you hope to fly for southwest, or any other major carrier coming out of college. Chances are you'll be telling that to a check airman who has 7000 total time, with 4000 PIC in a jet and is still waiting for an interview there. I mean this with all due respect...When i head to work, i of course hope one day i am at a major, but realize people have worked for years to get where they are and sometimes the ignorance of a aviation college graduate thinking he'll get things handed to him....just isnt the case. youll thank me later. Take any unexpected career advances as luck, and be thankful youre healthy enough to qualify for a medical and watch sunset at cruise keeps me happy!