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Do Arabs Get Hired In Airline In U.S. As A Pilot?  
User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

Will i get a job in one of the major airline in U.S?

I was born in Iraq and I'm Muslim and have citizenship in U.S and currently live in Florida I'm majoring in aviation, pilot

technology. I heared recently that I may not get a job in the U.S because of my arabic/ Islamic background. I'm about to

start my practical training which will cost me crazy money, I'm worried that I may not get a job in U.S after spending all

that money  . If that's true( No job for arabs/american/ muslims) I will change ma major to something else. I'm really tired of thinking about this  
please help me!

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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7405 times:

As long as you're proficient in English, can pass a first class medical exam, and can pass all your FAA written exams and checkrides, you should have no problem. Flight schools today have to be a little careful due to TSA regulations involving students born in foreign countries, but you mentioned that you are a citizen, so that is another point in your favor.

No company (airline or otherwise) can discriminate against hiring people of a certain religion or ethnicity.

Fly safely and best of luck!  



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

It's illegal to discriminate against race or religion when it comes to employment in the U.S. I know a couple of pilots at AA of Middle Eastern descent, I don't see why you should have any problems. We all get a background check before we're hired, wherever we come from. Our CCO at AA is of Persian/Iranian descent as well.

User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7204 times:

I don't have problem with Flight School. They are very friendly and helpful, but I don't know what beyond my graduation. I don't know if I ever get a job as a pilot in U.S. where I want to spend all my life. I'm planing to get CFI rating, and that will coast me up to $65000. Imagine after spending all this money, I won't get a job. Next term, ( spring term) I will start taking my professional courses in aviation. I not formally sure of is that a good investment?

User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7176 times:
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I know quite a few Arabs and Muslims who are flying in the US. You won't be allowed to have a beard, but other than that you can expect the same shitty career progression as the rest of us do.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7122 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 3):

You'll have to follow the dress regulations of the airlines, but if they discriminate against you for being Arab, that's something that could easily be taken to court.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

I'm not religious person, and I don't have problem to follow any dress code. Also , I know it's illegal to discriminate for any reasons in the U.S., but they can easily disregard my work application. My father is a pilot in Middle East, and I he is in UK to get license on Airbus A320. I can work with him in Middle East, but I don't want to go back there.
I'm trying to contact Alpa and find more. It's not a good idea to start investing my my in this filed with this amount of certainty
Thank you for the responds.
please! write something if you know more about this matter.
Best regard !


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
You won't be allowed to have a beard,

Of course that's a safety thing. I don't recall seeing pictures of Middle Eastern pilots with beards, but I think some Scandinavians do.

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 6):
My father is a pilot in Middle East, and I he is in UK to get license on Airbus A320. I can work with him in Middle East, but I don't want to go back there.

You have to sort out your own priorities, but my first thought would be that it would be better from a career standpoint to go fly in the Middle East than in America. There you could get into one of those direct entry cadet programs and be flying for a major airline faster while getting paid better than in the US where you'll pay through the nose for training and then maybe get a job at a regional making under $30k per year. There are experienced American pilots leaving to take jobs with Asian and Middle Eastern airlines.

It might merit consideration to go fly in the Middle East for a while and then eventually return to the US when you have the hours and experience to jump right into a major.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

You won't be discriminated against when getting hired by an airline. Meet the qualifications, have a good attitude, and be highly proficient and you'll find a job.

I've flown with plenty of arabs over the years.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):

It might merit consideration to go fly in the Middle East for a while and then eventually return to the US when you have the hours and experience to jump right into a major.

will that experience( in Middle East) be considered when I return to the U.S. eventually?


User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
I know quite a few Arabs and Muslims who are flying in the US

Do they fly in U.S. airline?


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 10):

Do they fly in U.S. airline?

Yes. I personally know one who is a very senior Captain at DL.


User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
I'm Muslim
Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 6):
I'm not religious person

Not that it matters, but this doesn't make sense.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6678 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 12):

Not that it matters, but this doesn't make sense.

what doesn't make sense?
you can be christian and not religious or muslim ant not religious... where is the problem?
I said that to know if that going to be an issue eventually.


User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 13):
you can be christian and not religious or muslim ant not religious...

I would have to disagree, but there is no point in arguing about this.

Anyway...you shouldn't have any problems because of your background. If you're capable you're capable.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Irish on the other hand...

(In all seriousness, your heritage and religious back ground will have no bearing on your opportunities here.)

As for being Muslim/not religious is a point similar to being a secular Jew. A person who's heritage (Jewish, Arabic, heck, even Swedish) technically places them as XYZ religion, but who does not practice, would be correct in saying they are ____ but not religious/practicing.



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User currently offlineConcordeLoss From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Of course that's a safety thing. I don't recall seeing pictures of Middle Eastern pilots with beards, but I think some Scandinavians do.

Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

I have seen Sikhs with beard for Air india, I heard once that beard interfere with oxygen masks, hope someone with experience elaborate.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):

Mostly to do with the oxygen mask in the event of an emergency, having a beard can cause it to not seal properly. That said, Virgin America allows its pilots to have beards.

To the OP, no, being Middle Eastern should cause no issues. I flew with an Iranian captain a while back. He talked of the Shah and Ayatollah pretty openly. Good luck!


User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

Thank you for all these answer! You guys encouraged me to finish my degree in this field. You can't imagine how hard does it feel when you think nobody will hire you because of religion or background, and the problem is many people discouraged me to get this degree. Now, I have knowledge on how does it work after all these answers!
God bless The United States of America and its kind people.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 9):
will that experience( in Middle East) be considered when I return to the U.S. eventually?

I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't. It might be a more attractive alternative than the paying/instructing/regional rat race that most pilot jobs in the US require.

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):
Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?

Beards can get in the way of the oxygen mask. Mustaches and goatees are generally pokay I think.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

I know you said you didn't want to go back to the ME, but don't discount that option. I'm getting my flying done from the military but going to the ME or Asia is a back up for me. I hear they desperately need pilots. You'd only need to fly a few years over there to get the hours required over here.

And no, you shouldn't have a problem. I'm against affirmative action (see it as reverse discrimination, treating the effect and not the cause) but there might be quotas to fill at US airlines and being an Arab might work in your favor. Not sure if US airlines have quotas like that, but I'd say 90% of pilots I see are white males so if they do have quotas, it should be very easy to get a job



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't. It might be a more attractive alternative than the paying/instructing/regional rat race that most pilot jobs in the US require.

Because most Middle East companies use the British aviation standard( I don't know what it called) not the FAA


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):
Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?

Oxygen masks can't fit properly around beards.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 18):
That said, Virgin America allows its pilots to have beards.

Virgin America are hipsters, and they don't seem to care much about professionalism.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8267 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5845 times:



Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
I heared recently that I may not get a job in the U.S because of my arabic/ Islamic background. I'm about to

Who said that?? That's 100% absolutely not true. In fact, it's illegal. The background they will check is your FBI background, so keep your nose clean and don't start plotting death to the infidels and you'll be fine.

Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
No job for arabs/american/ muslims

That's absurd. Whoever said that is obtuse.

[Edited 2012-12-18 16:37:00]


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25 longhauler : There are a lot of respectable airlines that allow their pilots to wear beards. The old saw about beards and oxygen masks goes back about 50 years. T
26 longhauler : I recently flew with a new First Officer on the B767, and his story was very interesting. He is Indian, born in India, but educated in Canada, and is
27 Post contains images Acey559 : I've never flown on them but I've had a few of their guys in the jumpseat and they were all nice folks. I'm with you on the appearance though, I don'
28 spudsmac : Nobody has mentioned the fact that if you're not a US citizen, then you will need a visa. Those can be hard to get for a non-specialized job like a pi
29 Mir : Absolutely. That may be true when it comes to licensing (though as far as I know, the Middle East is far easier to get into with a US license than Eu
30 HAWK21M : Will a stubble be considered a beard too.....
31 AirAfreak : It kinda broke my heart to hear your concerns, which unfortunately we (USA) have this horrible image painted among us in regards to US-Middle East Re
32 Post contains images Pihero : The main argument against beards were mostly - and very seriously - about creams some people used for keep their beard and mustache in good shapes :
33 Fabo : Nobody mentioned visa, because OP is a citizen.
34 gocaps16 : Renting a JA registration SEL in Japan will cost you up to $500+ per hour with the yen-dollar exchange rates so there are not many JN pilots renting
35 pilotpip : One of the neat things about my job is that I get to work with a number of people who have a different experience than I do. Be it religion, ethnicity
36 MD11Engineer : I know many pilots over here with beards. The airlines have grooming standards and will neither allow stuble nor pilots looking like ZZ Top, but neat
37 bhill : Well, If you get any crap, there is always military aviation.
38 HAWK21M : What transpires if someone is commencing to grow a beard , it would be a stubble at one point of time.
39 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Then you do it like they do in (the German) military: You grow your beard while you are on leave. At least for me after one week I would already have
40 26point2 : Arab? I've always thought "Arab" as a derogatory term to generalize anyone from the ME....guess I am wrong. Anyway, I'm a corporate pilot and in the p
41 Post contains links bueb0g : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people It's not meant to be derogatory term, although I'm sure some use it one.
42 Starlionblue : Arab is an ethonym (a name for an ethnicity) just like, say, Basque, Sami or Hebrew. Heck, like the same Irish or Russian if these are used in their
43 26point2 : Thanks for the link. I didn't know.... Always thought calling someone an "Arab" was like saying "Oriental" for a person of Asian origin or "Mexican" f
44 Starlionblue : Weird isn't it? However a lot of people get it wrong and don't care, which is a bit offensive. Probably because "Iran" is a bit of a dirty word in th
45 Post contains images HAWK21M : That would be different,having to apply for leave, stating to grow a beard.
46 Post contains images Accidentally : Of course they can...why couldn't they? My flight instructor was Pakistani (am I correct to assume he falls within the "Arab" category?) and has an ob
47 Starlionblue : Pakistanis are neither Arabs nor Middle Eastern. They are mostly Punjabi and Pashtun, and Pakistan is in Central Asia. However many Westerners will l
48 longhauler : I can certainly feel for your friend, as I see it all the time. Oddly enough, for a country as advanced as the United States, it is where I see racis
49 Accidentally : Well there ya go - a bit more American ignorance for yas. My apologies, and thank you sincerely for the information.
50 Starlionblue : Ignorance is only a problem if you seek to stay ignorant, which you don't.
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