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Do Arabs Get Hired In Airline In U.S. As A Pilot?  
User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7287 times:

Will i get a job in one of the major airline in U.S?

I was born in Iraq and I'm Muslim and have citizenship in U.S and currently live in Florida I'm majoring in aviation, pilot

technology. I heared recently that I may not get a job in the U.S because of my arabic/ Islamic background. I'm about to

start my practical training which will cost me crazy money, I'm worried that I may not get a job in U.S after spending all

that money  . If that's true( No job for arabs/american/ muslims) I will change ma major to something else. I'm really tired of thinking about this  
please help me!

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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7256 times:

As long as you're proficient in English, can pass a first class medical exam, and can pass all your FAA written exams and checkrides, you should have no problem. Flight schools today have to be a little careful due to TSA regulations involving students born in foreign countries, but you mentioned that you are a citizen, so that is another point in your favor.

No company (airline or otherwise) can discriminate against hiring people of a certain religion or ethnicity.

Fly safely and best of luck!  



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7215 times:

It's illegal to discriminate against race or religion when it comes to employment in the U.S. I know a couple of pilots at AA of Middle Eastern descent, I don't see why you should have any problems. We all get a background check before we're hired, wherever we come from. Our CCO at AA is of Persian/Iranian descent as well.

User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 7056 times:

I don't have problem with Flight School. They are very friendly and helpful, but I don't know what beyond my graduation. I don't know if I ever get a job as a pilot in U.S. where I want to spend all my life. I'm planing to get CFI rating, and that will coast me up to $65000. Imagine after spending all this money, I won't get a job. Next term, ( spring term) I will start taking my professional courses in aviation. I not formally sure of is that a good investment?

User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 7028 times:
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I know quite a few Arabs and Muslims who are flying in the US. You won't be allowed to have a beard, but other than that you can expect the same shitty career progression as the rest of us do.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 3):

You'll have to follow the dress regulations of the airlines, but if they discriminate against you for being Arab, that's something that could easily be taken to court.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 6877 times:

I'm not religious person, and I don't have problem to follow any dress code. Also , I know it's illegal to discriminate for any reasons in the U.S., but they can easily disregard my work application. My father is a pilot in Middle East, and I he is in UK to get license on Airbus A320. I can work with him in Middle East, but I don't want to go back there.
I'm trying to contact Alpa and find more. It's not a good idea to start investing my my in this filed with this amount of certainty
Thank you for the responds.
please! write something if you know more about this matter.
Best regard !


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 6816 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
You won't be allowed to have a beard,

Of course that's a safety thing. I don't recall seeing pictures of Middle Eastern pilots with beards, but I think some Scandinavians do.

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 6):
My father is a pilot in Middle East, and I he is in UK to get license on Airbus A320. I can work with him in Middle East, but I don't want to go back there.

You have to sort out your own priorities, but my first thought would be that it would be better from a career standpoint to go fly in the Middle East than in America. There you could get into one of those direct entry cadet programs and be flying for a major airline faster while getting paid better than in the US where you'll pay through the nose for training and then maybe get a job at a regional making under $30k per year. There are experienced American pilots leaving to take jobs with Asian and Middle Eastern airlines.

It might merit consideration to go fly in the Middle East for a while and then eventually return to the US when you have the hours and experience to jump right into a major.



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4194 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week ago) and read 6787 times:

You won't be discriminated against when getting hired by an airline. Meet the qualifications, have a good attitude, and be highly proficient and you'll find a job.

I've flown with plenty of arabs over the years.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):

It might merit consideration to go fly in the Middle East for a while and then eventually return to the US when you have the hours and experience to jump right into a major.

will that experience( in Middle East) be considered when I return to the U.S. eventually?


User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
I know quite a few Arabs and Muslims who are flying in the US

Do they fly in U.S. airline?


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 10):

Do they fly in U.S. airline?

Yes. I personally know one who is a very senior Captain at DL.


User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
I'm Muslim
Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 6):
I'm not religious person

Not that it matters, but this doesn't make sense.



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User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 12):

Not that it matters, but this doesn't make sense.

what doesn't make sense?
you can be christian and not religious or muslim ant not religious... where is the problem?
I said that to know if that going to be an issue eventually.


User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 13):
you can be christian and not religious or muslim ant not religious...

I would have to disagree, but there is no point in arguing about this.

Anyway...you shouldn't have any problems because of your background. If you're capable you're capable.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Irish on the other hand...

(In all seriousness, your heritage and religious back ground will have no bearing on your opportunities here.)

As for being Muslim/not religious is a point similar to being a secular Jew. A person who's heritage (Jewish, Arabic, heck, even Swedish) technically places them as XYZ religion, but who does not practice, would be correct in saying they are ____ but not religious/practicing.



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User currently offlineConcordeLoss From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Of course that's a safety thing. I don't recall seeing pictures of Middle Eastern pilots with beards, but I think some Scandinavians do.

Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?



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User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

I have seen Sikhs with beard for Air india, I heard once that beard interfere with oxygen masks, hope someone with experience elaborate.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):

Mostly to do with the oxygen mask in the event of an emergency, having a beard can cause it to not seal properly. That said, Virgin America allows its pilots to have beards.

To the OP, no, being Middle Eastern should cause no issues. I flew with an Iranian captain a while back. He talked of the Shah and Ayatollah pretty openly. Good luck!


User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Thank you for all these answer! You guys encouraged me to finish my degree in this field. You can't imagine how hard does it feel when you think nobody will hire you because of religion or background, and the problem is many people discouraged me to get this degree. Now, I have knowledge on how does it work after all these answers!
God bless The United States of America and its kind people.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 9):
will that experience( in Middle East) be considered when I return to the U.S. eventually?

I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't. It might be a more attractive alternative than the paying/instructing/regional rat race that most pilot jobs in the US require.

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):
Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?

Beards can get in the way of the oxygen mask. Mustaches and goatees are generally pokay I think.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7873 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

I know you said you didn't want to go back to the ME, but don't discount that option. I'm getting my flying done from the military but going to the ME or Asia is a back up for me. I hear they desperately need pilots. You'd only need to fly a few years over there to get the hours required over here.

And no, you shouldn't have a problem. I'm against affirmative action (see it as reverse discrimination, treating the effect and not the cause) but there might be quotas to fill at US airlines and being an Arab might work in your favor. Not sure if US airlines have quotas like that, but I'd say 90% of pilots I see are white males so if they do have quotas, it should be very easy to get a job



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineyoyo444104 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5889 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't. It might be a more attractive alternative than the paying/instructing/regional rat race that most pilot jobs in the US require.

Because most Middle East companies use the British aviation standard( I don't know what it called) not the FAA


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):
Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?

Oxygen masks can't fit properly around beards.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 18):
That said, Virgin America allows its pilots to have beards.

Virgin America are hipsters, and they don't seem to care much about professionalism.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8230 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5697 times:



Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
I heared recently that I may not get a job in the U.S because of my arabic/ Islamic background. I'm about to

Who said that?? That's 100% absolutely not true. In fact, it's illegal. The background they will check is your FBI background, so keep your nose clean and don't start plotting death to the infidels and you'll be fine.

Quoting yoyo444104 (Thread starter):
No job for arabs/american/ muslims

That's absurd. Whoever said that is obtuse.

[Edited 2012-12-18 16:37:00]


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4926 posts, RR: 43
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 23):
Virgin America are hipsters, and they don't seem to care much about professionalism.

There are a lot of respectable airlines that allow their pilots to wear beards.

The old saw about beards and oxygen masks goes back about 50 years. Today's modern oxygen masks have no problem sealing around anything on someone's face ... beard included.

The main reason airlines do not allow beards is public perception and image. They feel the public would be less trusting of a pilot sporting a beard. (Their words, not mine)



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4926 posts, RR: 43
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

I recently flew with a new First Officer on the B767, and his story was very interesting. He is Indian, born in India, but educated in Canada, and is a Canadian citizen. He is very capable and a pleasure to fly with.

He said that after he graduated Aviation College in Canada, his biggest hurdle was finding his "first job". That as you know is the toughest hurdle in one's aviation career. And the biggest hurdle was his "Indian sounding name".

You see, there is no discrimination at a College level, and no discrimination at the high end, a major airline. His story made me think that there was in the levels between the two.

But, he did say what did work, and it is true with finding any aviation job .... That while sending out resumes is great, the best tool is to meet someone face to face. Pack up your car, load it with resumes, and start looking, and don't stop till you have a job. He said, meeting a Chief Pilot person to person, and showing him that he was a good guy in spite of his Indian name was the greatest asset.

You may find the same.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 23):

Virgin America are hipsters, and they don't seem to care much about professionalism.

I've never flown on them but I've had a few of their guys in the jumpseat and they were all nice folks. I'm with you on the appearance though, I don't much care for it. Some of their flight attendants on the other hand....  


User currently offlinespudsmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

Nobody has mentioned the fact that if you're not a US citizen, then you will need a visa. Those can be hard to get for a non-specialized job like a pilot. I have a colleague who has thousands of hours, but can't work for the airlines because he's Canadian.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 9):
will that experience( in Middle East) be considered when I return to the U.S. eventually?

Absolutely.

Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 22):
Because most Middle East companies use the British aviation standard( I don't know what it called) not the FAA

That may be true when it comes to licensing (though as far as I know, the Middle East is far easier to get into with a US license than Europe), but flight experience is flight experience, and work experience is work experience. Both of those will be recognized if you chose to try and get a job in the US after flying overseas. If you do end up getting a foreign license and not an FAA license, the conversion process is quite simple.

-Mir



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 4):
You won't be allowed to have a beard

Will a stubble be considered a beard too.....



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User currently offlineAirAfreak From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5712 times:
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Quoting yoyo444104 (Reply 19):

It kinda broke my heart to hear your concerns, which unfortunately we (USA) have this horrible image painted among us in regards to US-Middle East Relations. I truly wish you the very best throughout school and your career as a pilot.

And ask to be based in Los Angeles... it's pretty open-minded here =]

Bon Voyage!!!

AirAfreak =]



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4402 posts, RR: 76
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 25):
There are a lot of respectable airlines that allow their pilots to wear beards. The old saw about beards and oxygen masks goes back about 50 years. Today's modern oxygen masks have no problem sealing around anything on someone's face ... beard included.

     
The main argument against beards were mostly - and very seriously - about creams some people used for keep their beard and mustache in good shapes : those creams could ignite in the presence of pure oxygen ! ( By the way, some ladies' make up behave the same way...)



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 28):
Nobody has mentioned the fact that if you're not a US citizen, then you will need a visa. Those can be hard to get for a non-specialized job like a pilot. I have a colleague who has thousands of hours, but can't work for the airlines because he's Canadian.

Nobody mentioned visa, because OP is a citizen.



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User currently offlinegocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4339 posts, RR: 21
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21):
ME or Asia is a back up for me. I hear they desperately need pilots

Renting a JA registration SEL in Japan will cost you up to $500+ per hour with the yen-dollar exchange rates so there are not many JN pilots renting unless they have some MAD cash. Most ANA/JAL pilots were previously military pilots like yourself, a USN student aviator, which makes sense. Most of my Japanese friend pilots are Riddle grads and moved back to Japan as instructors. But I'm hearing the FAA to CAB/ICAO license conversion process are highly overpriced basically starting all over again as this is an option for myself. Something the G.I. Bill might cover?


User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

One of the neat things about my job is that I get to work with a number of people who have a different experience than I do. Be it religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, whatever. I'm a curious person and enjoy learning about what makes us different. Can make for some interesting conversation on a long flight.

As others have stated, don't worry about it. Once you get enough time, do your research and start finding places you would like to work. Sort of ironic, but a number of my friends are trying to get on at carriers in the Middle East because the pay is amazing and they fly really good equipment.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 23):
Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 16):
Just curious to know what safety risks a beard poses. Getting wires stuck in it?

Oxygen masks can't fit properly around beards.

I know many pilots over here with beards. The airlines have grooming standards and will neither allow stuble nor pilots looking like ZZ Top, but neatly trimmed beards are generally accepted in Europe.

Jan


User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Well, If you get any crap, there is always military aviation.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 36):
The airlines have grooming standards and will neither allow stuble nor pilots looking like ZZ Top, but neatly trimmed beards are generally accepted in Europe.

What transpires if someone is commencing to grow a beard , it would be a stubble at one point of time.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 38):
What transpires if someone is commencing to grow a beard , it would be a stubble at one point of time.

Then you do it like they do in (the German) military: You grow your beard while you are on leave. At least for me after one week I would already have quite a beard if I would stop shaving (though my Missus would most likely kill me. She is from a country where men normally can´t grow strong beards and even complains about my moustache and wants it trimmed quite short "no trim, no kiss"   . On the other hand I´d need to shave twice a day to stay really smooth).

BTW the German army allowed excemptions from the neat and trimmed beard rule for troops deployed to Afghanistan. To get respected by the locals the soldiers need to grow quite long beards, since the locals often see a beard as a sign of wisdom and authority.

Jan


User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Arab? I've always thought "Arab" as a derogatory term to generalize anyone from the ME....guess I am wrong.

Anyway, I'm a corporate pilot and in the past 25 years can only recall ever seeing one fellow pilot with a beard. It struck me as being most unusual. @ CYYC about 1999, Shell Oil DA-900 with a G-xxxx registry.


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 40):
Arab? I've always thought "Arab" as a derogatory term to generalize anyone from the ME....guess I am wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_people

It's not meant to be derogatory term, although I'm sure some use it one.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 40):

Arab? I've always thought "Arab" as a derogatory term to generalize anyone from the ME....guess I am wrong.

Arab is an ethonym (a name for an ethnicity) just like, say, Basque, Sami or Hebrew. Heck, like the same Irish or Russian if these are used in their non-nationality sense. It is not, per se, derogatory, though many in the West use it as such.

Arabs predominantly live in the Middle East and northern Africa, but they are spread all over the world. BTW despite popular belief in the West (most) Iranians, Turks and Afghans are not Arabs.



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Thanks for the link. I didn't know.... Always thought calling someone an "Arab" was like saying "Oriental" for a person of Asian origin or "Mexican" for ANY guy from South of the border.

Not sure about where you all live but here in California folks are sensitive to this sort of thing and we are conditioned to leave Oriental, Arab, Mexican, etc. out of the dialogue. Ridiculous when you hesitate to call a guy from Mexico a "Mexican", but there we are...

By the way, I have noticed a trend that people of Iranian heritage are NOW referring to themselves as "Persian". Odd...but I digress.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 43):
Not sure about where you all live but here in California folks are sensitive to this sort of thing and we are conditioned to leave Oriental, Arab, Mexican, etc. out of the dialogue. Ridiculous when you hesitate to call a guy from Mexico a "Mexican", but there we are...

Weird isn't it? However a lot of people get it wrong and don't care, which is a bit offensive.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 43):
By the way, I have noticed a trend that people of Iranian heritage are NOW referring to themselves as "Persian". Odd...but I digress.

Probably because "Iran" is a bit of a dirty word in the US, so they want to identify themselves with their ethonym, indicating that they distance themselves from the country Iran.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 39):
You grow your beard while you are on leave.

That would be different,having to apply for leave, stating to grow a beard.
 



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User currently onlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4459 times:
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Of course they can...why couldn't they? My flight instructor was Pakistani (am I correct to assume he falls within the "Arab" category?) and has an obvious middle eastern accent and appearance. He was hired by a commuter in 1999 and stopped instructing. He's now Captain on the CRJ700 after hiring right seat on the Beech 1900, and told me he has had pax that looked "alarmed" although nonetheless boarded, but had one man with a wife and kids that noticed him early 2002 and came up to the gate counter to ask if "that man" was indeed their pilot and went on this short, but seriously ignorant and racist tirade, and left to re-book. It broke Obediah's heart. These things have totally seemed to stop occurring through the years.

As far as I'm concerned he's as much an American as the rest of us. He immigrated as an early teen, and always told me of his love of his new home, and how he wouldn't have the same opportunities in Pakistan that he does here...being a pilot was his dream since childhood. 9/11 was terrible for him - he was so angry that his religion was said as being the "excuse". A very hurt and embarrassed man emerged. It's a damn shame we've got such ignorance around us, but luckily as long as you're a citizen and meet the experience, health and legal criteria, there's no other factor I know of that would prevent you from being an airline pilot.

I'll never forget our 1999 trip in a 152 up and down the VFR Corridor along the Hudson to Stewart SWF. We were - no lie - lower than WTC 1&2 and could see in the windows. Engraved in me forever.

Go for it buddy, and keep on working hard  



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting Accidentally (Reply 46):
My flight instructor was Pakistani (am I correct to assume he falls within the "Arab" category?) and has an obvious middle eastern accent and appearance.

Pakistanis are neither Arabs nor Middle Eastern. They are mostly Punjabi and Pashtun, and Pakistan is in Central Asia. However many Westerners will lump Pakistanis into the Arab and Middle Eastern categories.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4926 posts, RR: 43
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting Accidentally (Reply 46):
It's a damn shame we've got such ignorance around us, but luckily as long as you're a citizen and meet the experience, health and legal criteria, there's no other factor I know of that would prevent you from being an airline pilot.

I can certainly feel for your friend, as I see it all the time. Oddly enough, for a country as advanced as the United States, it is where I see racism, (and sexism, and ageism, etc) the most. And, I could never figure out why!

I recently flew a flight from LAX to YYZ, and standing in the forward galley as the passengers were boarding, one "gentleman" with a thick Texas accent and cowboy hat peaked into the cockpit and saw a female pilot. He said, "I sure hope that broad isn't flying the plane". I just answered, "yes, she is the First Officer, and yes, she will be flying the plane". He answered, "God damned women want to do everything these days!".

Trying to hold my temper when dealing with half wits, I just answered "yes, and your Captain is a fag, if you have a problem with that, get the fuck off the plane right now!". His wife grabbed him by the belt and said, "Come on, lets sit down". I just laughed, "I can see who the smart one of that couple is".

So your buddy, looks "un-American", all I can say is, "heaven help him".



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User currently onlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4245 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 47):
Pakistanis are neither Arabs nor Middle Eastern. They are mostly Punjabi and Pashtun, and Pakistan is in Central Asia. However many Westerners will lump Pakistanis into the Arab and Middle Eastern categories.

Well there ya go - a bit more American ignorance for yas. My apologies, and thank you sincerely for the information.



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Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Accidentally (Reply 49):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 47):
Pakistanis are neither Arabs nor Middle Eastern. They are mostly Punjabi and Pashtun, and Pakistan is in Central Asia. However many Westerners will lump Pakistanis into the Arab and Middle Eastern categories.

Well there ya go - a bit more American ignorance for yas. My apologies, and thank you sincerely for the information.

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