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UA Vs. DL- Crew Layovers In Sydney  
User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 372 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
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I have a friend who is an LAX based flight attendant for United and she told me that UAL crews typically get at least a 48 hour layover in Sydney. She was therefore surprised to learn that Delta crews who operate LAX-SYD flights are only scheduled for a 24 hour layover. My question is that, if my information is correct, how can there be such a large disparity in layover times. I am not an FA, but aren't there minimum crew rest issues involved in planning layovers for flight crews? United and Delta both have the same flight times from LAX to Sydney, so why do UAL crews get a full day more of extra rest than Delta crews? Again, this is all assumng that my initial information is correct.

[Edited 2012-12-31 13:54:48]

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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

usually flight crews get more than the minimum.

ie on AMS-SFO KLM crews get a 24 hour layover but Virgin and BA crews doing LHR-SFO which is shorter ger 48 hours.

And on LON-LAS I believe BA LHR crews get 24 hrs and LGW crews get 48 hrs.


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

The difference is likely because DL FAs do not have a union while UA FAs do. I doubt the DL pilots would tolerate only a 24 hour layover.

User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

A lot of it has to do with the flight schedule. With DL only having one flight per day out of SYD, it's only natural for them to schedule the minimum amount of time the schedule will allow. For example, crews arrive on Monday at 840am and leave Tuesday at 1155am. Thus, it turns out to be roughly 27 hours, which is more than the minimum required rest. With UA, given the fact that they have LAX, SYD and MEL flights, it creates more possibilities for scheduling the crews for rest. In general, when flights are not daily to destinations, the crews will have multiple days in that destination. This is purely due to logistics and not the company rewarding them with a paid vacation! =)

User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

I assume one of the UA crews in Syd from LAX or SFO has only 24 hours but gets an easy and short shift of doing the Syd-Mel-Syd add-on this would only be a 4 hour shift and the crew wouldn't have to check out from their hotel


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User currently offlineLAXSTEW From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 2):

DL pilots and F/As have the same layover. I'd say most of us prefer the 1-day layover....makes for a very efficient trip.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 2):

I'm surprised that those union UA F/A's tolerate those inferior pay rates that they have relative to the nonunion DL F/A's.  

In any event it would seem to me that a productive rotation is one with a shorter layover, his minimizing time away from home while maximizing pay.

[Edited 2012-12-31 14:25:06]

User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Would the fact that DL has flat bed F/A crew rests on the 77L make a difference?

User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9810 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

I am a bit surprised since the DL SYDNEY-LAX flight departs in the morning rather in the afternoon on UA.

Quoting N707PA (Reply 7):

Would the fact that DL has flat bed F/A crew rests on the 77L make a difference?


So does the UA 747



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User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 1):

KL crew get considerably more time off at base after a duty than BA hence the diaparity.



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

I became particularly familiar with one DL F/A as we sat together very frequently as she finished her trip and went home. She would do (at the time - 2005ish) CVG-LGW-CVG, flew out on a Tuesday PM, arrived Weds PM, flew back Thursday. She loved it. We frequently would be paired together CVG-GRR when DL operated the 732 on the route. She said that particular arrangement was perfect for her and her work week was Tuesday through Thursday. She since re-based to DTW when the route was cut, but not sure if she has the same arrangement with DTW-LHR-DTW.


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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

When UA used to fly their daily B744's LAX-AKL-MEL-AKL-LAX (UA841/UA842) the F/A's & tech crew would overnight in AKL southbound for 48 hours, then operate the AKL-MEL-AKL shuttle, overnight for another 23-24 hours before departing again for LAX.

I think Qantas crew have a similar arrangement for crew who operate SYD-LAX-(JFK)-LAX-SYD on the QF107/108 pairing? ie. 48 hours in LAX the first time, then they either layover in NYC or sometimes do the shuttle back to LAX, either way they layover in LAX again for another 24hrs and then head back to SYD. However Qantas crews on the A380 ex SYD & MEL arrive in the morning into LAX, have around 36 hours layover before departing the following evening back to Australia.

Usually the airlines have formulas or agreements in place with the relevant unions on layovers.

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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7437 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 2):
The difference is likely because DL FAs do not have a union while UA FAs do. I doubt the DL pilots would tolerate only a 24 hour layover.

Has nothing to do with it. If we were union, we'd probably have a shorter layover if it was humanly possible

Quoting catiii (Reply 6):
I'm surprised that those union UA F/A's tolerate those inferior pay rates that they have relative to the nonunion DL F/A's.  
Quoting catiii (Reply 6):
In any event it would seem to me that a productive rotation is one with a shorter layover, his minimizing time away from home while maximizing pay.

True statement. For the most part, we only care about the highest value trip in the shortest amount of duty days. We would trade a long layover in a second for more time off post-trip. Most of the crews who do such highly-coveted trips such as LAX-SYD, ATL-JNB, JFK-NRT, DTW-PEK, as exotic as these destinations are, I can bet you many of these people that fly these trips, that's all they do all month, a 3 or a 4-day rotation with 26+hrs of credit hrs.



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