EGPH From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 999 times:
Hey guys,
Sorry if this has been asked before but couldn't see anything on the site about it. I see that flight out of LHR that used to be operated by BD are now operated by BA using only ex BD airframes so planes that have always been BA don't operate on say the LHR-BEY route. Does this continued segregation continue to the crewing, is it only BD crews that operate these flights or could an old BA crew bid and operate on the routings brought to the company by BD?
bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 955 times:
BEY, AMM, TBS, GYD, ALA (all former BD routes) are operated by former bmi A321 in a mid haul config (no such config exists in the BA fleet). Also these aircraft operate 3 times a day to TLV and daily to CAI replacing BA long haul aircraft. Former bmi short haul A320s and A319s are based at T1 and operate BA's flights (some of which are former BD destinations). The A319s and A321s are unable to operate out of T5 as they have the baggage loaded manually whereas T5 only handles containerised baggage. The bmi A320s (except G-MEDK) can handle containerised baggage, and do now and again operate out of T5. bmi cabin and flight crew are fully integrated into BA and we operate alongside BA crews. The vast majority of the cabin crew and been integrated into Eurofleet and operate on the A320 family and the 767-300.
Tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3689 posts, RR: 34 Reply 2, posted (4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 921 times:
Quoting EGPH (Thread starter): could an old BA crew bid and operate on the routings brought to the company by BD?
If you are talking pilots then yes.
This is not an American airline with its USairways East and West or its premerger Continental etc etc.
When BA and BMI joined up, the pilots made a decision to have a single pilot force and they do. It took 3 months to accomplish. The BMI aircraft have been converted (very little work) so that all the pilots can operate all the aircraft. The only exception I know is the A318 at LCY where because of recency requirements to land at LCY only a small group of pilots is allowed on this aircraft.
For cabin crew nearly. You must be trained in Mid haul procedures, and BA cabin crew do not really bid for work as such, but yes overall it is run as one airline now.
EGPH From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 914 times:
Thanks both of you for your answers very informative. It really struck me as odd that only ex BD A321s are run on TLV and other ex BD routes when ring fencing like that was surely not good for fleet use but the different configs solve that mystery. Though I'm astonished at TLV losing their B777 flights completely I always thought the heavies were needed for load requirements.
bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 910 times:
TLV has gone from a daily 777 and a 767 to three daily A321s, roughly the same number of seats, although less premium seats.
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 2): For cabin crew nearly. You must be trained in Mid haul procedures, and BA cabin crew do not really bid for work as such, but yes overall it is run as one airline now.
On Eurofleet we do bid for work, many of the BA crew on Eurofleet prefer shorter flights and the mid haul flights don't trigger particularly high allowances, many of the ex-bmi crew prefer to be away longer as it improves our hourly paid allowances.
Regarding the training for mid haul, this consists of 1 day of training for pursers and CSDs. There is no training for main crew, just handouts to print out and read.
edina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 901 times:
Where short haul routes are concerned things are fully integrated......former BA routes have moved to T1 e.g. DUS & LUX on ex BMI aircraft, and routes like SVG have moved to T5.
Most ex BMI LHR based cabin crew are now on the Eurofleet short haul opration (that also operate the BEY/TLV/AMM services), and you can have any combination of BA/exBMI on any particular flight. I'm sure that Bwaflyer will agree, from his/her side of the fence, that we are all getting along pretty well. Many BA Eurofleet crew haven't changed what they bid for, so shorter routes will tend to have more BA cabin crew, and our new colleagues are bidding for the long work with proportionately more former BMI crew, but having said that I bid for shorter flights/ less nights away and I work with at least one former BMI colleague on every duty. There had been no recruitment (apart from internal transfers) for nearly 5 years so it's good to see some fresh faces!
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