YXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12013 times:
Talking to an FA, I learned that AC stocks its YUL-ANU flight for the return, so I assume the same is done for much of the Caribbean. Unfortunately in our case, they were flying home empty that day and so few 'healthy options' seemed to be on board!
Radial engines don't leak oil, they are just marking their territory!
chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6338 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11871 times:
Double provisioning is a pain in the rear end, due to cost many of the airlines double provision flights to the lesser Antilles in the Caribbean. In Hawaii for example - KOA and LIH are very expensive so some airlines double provision, KOA or LIH I can't remember only has a hotel who provisions meals and they charge a whole lot of dough. Unless they have recently changed one of those two do not have a catering company.
justinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11564 times:
Many of the airports in Tibet don't have fuel, catering or snow removal equipment. Planes need to carry return fuel and catering. Sometimes the check-in agents will let all the passengers to go outside and remove the snow on the runway. Very tough job !
david21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11377 times:
Quoting chepos (Reply 4): Double provisioning is a pain in the rear end
It certainly is.
I've been in situations before where I've originated in an outstation only to find out that the F meals for the morning departure were never catered the night before. I also once worked a morning flight that was supposed to have a breakfast service in F. When I opened the cart, it was full of dirty meal trays. The cart was clearly marked with a bright orange "downline service" sticker, but the inbound F/A's served the BREAKFAST on the inbound flight the night before.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3): I know DL's flights between ABQ and ATL are now catered roundtrip.
The coach supplies are round tripped, but the meals for F are provided by one of the airport restaurants. It's that way in TUS and ELP as well.
debonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11202 times:
Quoting bobbydgg (Thread starter): What destinations require airlines to stock outbound flights with return catering?
Normally, at least for German airlines, all destinations without proper catering will see return catering. Some airports/countries are "black-listed", as these doesn't offer catering to international hygienic standards- like Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cuba etc.!
vhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11132 times:
What an interesting topic - thanks for posting.
As a passenger I have often wondered about this. BA is the only airline I fly with enough frequency to give me authority to comment on this topic as a passenger. I've noticed that BA's meals on long haul flights can be very, very variable depending upon if I am outbound or inbound to LHR. The last flight I took on BA was from SYD to SIN in J - the food was actually inedible (some fish coconut curry thing which had curdled). On the other hand, I have had absolutely wonderful fresh vegetarian pasta dishes for luncheon in W flying LHR to ORD.
I have always assumed this variance was due to the quality of the caterers at the destination point. But how can BA allow such a vast variance in the quality of the meals they serve? Do they not have stringent quality controls and quality standards built into their contracts with the caterers?
Tristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11057 times:
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8): I think most of BA shorhaul is catered for roundtrips... All the waraps and sandwiches served are supplied in London.
Nearly all food on BA European is prepared and cooked in LON.
Nearly all meals are round trip catered from LON.
Breakfast service is loaded abroad, but the meals are supplied frozen from LON.
Outstation caterers hold a stock of meals in the freezer in case they are required.
The main driver for all this was the cost of driving a delivery truck out to each aircraft turnround.
It is cheaper to overcater the aircraft from LON.
Spot on, with the exception of the longer Euro destinations (known as Band 4), where hot meals are served in both cabins.
Meals are loaded in ATH, IST, KBP, LCA, LED, SOF & TIP for the return sector to LHR. AGA is another Band 4 station; however there is currently no suitable airline caterer there, so flights are return catered from LHR, with standard Band 4 service in Club Europe, and Band 3 double wraps in Euro Traveller. Due to stowage limitations there is also no inflight retail to/from AGA.
Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10968 times:
I have long noticed that on the regional flights I have been on of up to 210mins to and from SIN (about twenty-odd LCC & legacy airlines), the food are almost without exception sourced from the airlines' home countries.
For longer trips (Australia, Europe & USA), the catering are only outbound from what I experienced.
Can't recall much of the medium hauls as I have not been on many of those.
jamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10904 times:
Someone else will be able to provide more details than I can, but I recall that one of the first major British charter airlines launched sunshine flights from the UK in 1960s with outbound and inbound meals/snacks loaded into compartments in the seat backs. The stewardesses would pass through the cabin on the turn around unlocking the second compartment so that return passengers could serve themselves.
I believed it worked ok until outbound passengers realised they could help themselves to another sandwich by forcing the compartment open
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10852 times:
in India, airlines often do return catering on flights to airports with limited connectivity - Bhuj for example. Also, LCC's such as Indigo and SpiceJet which offer rather extensive BOB options usually only cater from large bases such as DEL, BOM, MAA, BLR, HYD and CCU due to quality control issues and the fact that they usually only have one maybe two catering suppliers. That said, Taj Catering has a rather extensive reach inside India thanks to all their hotels all over the country.
jayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1035 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10763 times:
Turkish Airlines brings Catering from IST on its BOM flight. Ambassador's Sky Chef provides them food on demand though. (Quite a long flight, isn't it? )
Also, even Emirates carriers return catering for flights upto 3 hours 50 minutes. They have contract with TajSATS in India for FOD.
Gulf Air Carriers Return food for most of their destinations (Except for flights beyond 5 hours)
Oman Air carries return catering on all their 737 flights.
QR carries return catering in its flights upto 2 hours for quicker turn around times.
Air India carries return catering on its JED and RUH flights from BOM and DEL/HYD respectively.
So this is the little detail which I am aware of that I could provide
BAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10698 times:
Virtually all of the FIFO (Fly-in Fly-Out) flights operated in Western Australia have return catering loaded along with the outbound in PER, and it's the cabin crew's responsibility to get it all sorted out on the other end - the airline I work for does complete hot meal services on almost all their flights and luckily we have enough stowage space on our aircraft for both outbound and return catering carts. On the other hand there is one particular aircraft that is a real pain in the butt, it has been configured with only 4 half-cart spaces and limited overhead locker stowage, meaning on turnaround the crew spend all their time disposing of the meals from the previous sector and loading meal trays directly from a dry-iced box brought up from the cargo hold!
AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10673 times:
Quoting edina (Reply 12): AGA is another Band 4 station; however there is currently no suitable airline caterer there, so flights are return catered from LHR, with standard Band 4 service in Club Europe, and Band 3 double wraps in Euro Traveller.
Why can't be freeze the meals for the return trip and heat them up in Economy class.
plateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10480 times:
I learned (surpringsly) that Aruban catering is done at AUA and the company is owned by an American. Was actually one of the best meals I have ever had on a flight despite the delivery truck looking filthy.