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User currently offlinebobbydgg From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

What destinations require airlines to stock outbound flights with return catering?

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User currently onlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1636 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

I know CX used to cater both legs on its HKG - MNL flights from HKG. Caused some issues when my return flight MNL - HKG was delayed for four hours due to an engine issue.

We cleaned out the food and drink on board before we'd even left the gate ... CX bought in whatever they could from the airport and surrounds, and even that wasn't enough.

I don't remember if they brought in catering on the flight that also brought in the required engine parts ... I don't think so though.



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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

Talking to an FA, I learned that AC stocks its YUL-ANU flight for the return, so I assume the same is done for much of the Caribbean. Unfortunately in our case, they were flying home empty that day and so few 'healthy options' seemed to be on board!


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10973 times:

ABQ no longer has any airline catering companies operating there; LSG Sky Chefs pulled out in 2009. I know DL's flights between ABQ and ATL are now catered roundtrip.


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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6216 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

Double provisioning is a pain in the rear end, due to cost many of the airlines double provision flights to the lesser Antilles in the Caribbean. In Hawaii for example - KOA and LIH are very expensive so some airlines double provision, KOA or LIH I can't remember only has a hotel who provisions meals and they charge a whole lot of dough. Unless they have recently changed one of those two do not have a catering company.


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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10631 times:

Many of the airports in Tibet don't have fuel, catering or snow removal equipment. Planes need to carry return fuel and catering. Sometimes the check-in agents will let all the passengers to go outside and remove the snow on the runway. Very tough job !

User currently offlinedavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):
Double provisioning is a pain in the rear end

It certainly is.

I've been in situations before where I've originated in an outstation only to find out that the F meals for the morning departure were never catered the night before. I also once worked a morning flight that was supposed to have a breakfast service in F. When I opened the cart, it was full of dirty meal trays. The cart was clearly marked with a bright orange "downline service" sticker, but the inbound F/A's served the BREAKFAST on the inbound flight the night before.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
I know DL's flights between ABQ and ATL are now catered roundtrip.

The coach supplies are round tripped, but the meals for F are provided by one of the airport restaurants. It's that way in TUS and ELP as well.



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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10355 times:

All of TS catering on down south flights i.e Canada-Caribbean is return catered.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

I think most of BA shorhaul is catered for roundtrips... All the waraps and sandwiches served are supplied in London.


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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

Quoting bobbydgg (Thread starter):
What destinations require airlines to stock outbound flights with return catering?

Normally, at least for German airlines, all destinations without proper catering will see return catering. Some airports/countries are "black-listed", as these doesn't offer catering to international hygienic standards- like Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cuba etc.!


User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10199 times:
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What an interesting topic - thanks for posting.

As a passenger I have often wondered about this. BA is the only airline I fly with enough frequency to give me authority to comment on this topic as a passenger. I've noticed that BA's meals on long haul flights can be very, very variable depending upon if I am outbound or inbound to LHR. The last flight I took on BA was from SYD to SIN in J - the food was actually inedible (some fish coconut curry thing which had curdled). On the other hand, I have had absolutely wonderful fresh vegetarian pasta dishes for luncheon in W flying LHR to ORD.

I have always assumed this variance was due to the quality of the caterers at the destination point. But how can BA allow such a vast variance in the quality of the meals they serve? Do they not have stringent quality controls and quality standards built into their contracts with the caterers?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4003 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10124 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
I think most of BA shorhaul is catered for roundtrips... All the waraps and sandwiches served are supplied in London.

Nearly all food on BA European is prepared and cooked in LON.
Nearly all meals are round trip catered from LON.
Breakfast service is loaded abroad, but the meals are supplied frozen from LON.
Outstation caterers hold a stock of meals in the freezer in case they are required.
The main driver for all this was the cost of driving a delivery truck out to each aircraft turnround.
It is cheaper to overcater the aircraft from LON.


User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10050 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 11):

Spot on, with the exception of the longer Euro destinations (known as Band 4), where hot meals are served in both cabins.

Meals are loaded in ATH, IST, KBP, LCA, LED, SOF & TIP for the return sector to LHR. AGA is another Band 4 station; however there is currently no suitable airline caterer there, so flights are return catered from LHR, with standard Band 4 service in Club Europe, and Band 3 double wraps in Euro Traveller. Due to stowage limitations there is also no inflight retail to/from AGA.



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

I have long noticed that on the regional flights I have been on of up to 210mins to and from SIN (about twenty-odd LCC & legacy airlines), the food are almost without exception sourced from the airlines' home countries.
For longer trips (Australia, Europe & USA), the catering are only outbound from what I experienced.
Can't recall much of the medium hauls as I have not been on many of those.



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User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9971 times:

Someone else will be able to provide more details than I can, but I recall that one of the first major British charter airlines launched sunshine flights from the UK in 1960s with outbound and inbound meals/snacks loaded into compartments in the seat backs. The stewardesses would pass through the cabin on the turn around unlocking the second compartment so that return passengers could serve themselves.

I believed it worked ok until outbound passengers realised they could help themselves to another sandwich by forcing the compartment open 


User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9960 times:

Quoting jamesontheroad (Reply 14):

Both DanAir & Court Line used seatback catering.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9919 times:

in India, airlines often do return catering on flights to airports with limited connectivity - Bhuj for example. Also, LCC's such as Indigo and SpiceJet which offer rather extensive BOB options usually only cater from large bases such as DEL, BOM, MAA, BLR, HYD and CCU due to quality control issues and the fact that they usually only have one maybe two catering suppliers. That said, Taj Catering has a rather extensive reach inside India thanks to all their hotels all over the country.


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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

Turkish Airlines brings Catering from IST on its BOM flight. Ambassador's Sky Chef provides them food on demand though. (Quite a long flight, isn't it? )
Also, even Emirates carriers return catering for flights upto 3 hours 50 minutes. They have contract with TajSATS in India for FOD.
Gulf Air Carriers Return food for most of their destinations (Except for flights beyond 5 hours)
Oman Air carries return catering on all their 737 flights.
QR carries return catering in its flights upto 2 hours for quicker turn around times.
Air India carries return catering on its JED and RUH flights from BOM and DEL/HYD respectively.

So this is the little detail which I am aware of that I could provide  



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User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9802 times:

All easyJet and Ryanair flights are catered for wherever each aircraft is based and with the crew.

If a crew does BFS-LGW-BCN-LGW-BFS then the aircraft is catered in BFS and the food will do all 4 sectors.

New crew, new catering.


User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

Virtually all of the FIFO (Fly-in Fly-Out) flights operated in Western Australia have return catering loaded along with the outbound in PER, and it's the cabin crew's responsibility to get it all sorted out on the other end - the airline I work for does complete hot meal services on almost all their flights and luckily we have enough stowage space on our aircraft for both outbound and return catering carts. On the other hand there is one particular aircraft that is a real pain in the butt, it has been configured with only 4 half-cart spaces and limited overhead locker stowage, meaning on turnaround the crew spend all their time disposing of the meals from the previous sector and loading meal trays directly from a dry-iced box brought up from the cargo hold!

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9740 times:

Quoting edina (Reply 12):
AGA is another Band 4 station; however there is currently no suitable airline caterer there, so flights are return catered from LHR, with standard Band 4 service in Club Europe, and Band 3 double wraps in Euro Traveller.

Why can't be freeze the meals for the return trip and heat them up in Economy class.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

AKL-NAN-AKL
AKL-APW-AKL
AKL-SYD-AKL
AKL-BNE-AKL
AKL-MEL-AKL
AKL-ADL-AKL
AKL-NLK-AKL
AKL-IUE-AKL
AKL-VLI-AKL
AKL-NOU-AKL

NZ and QF double cater on many flights. It seems a common thing for flights around 3-5h hours in length


User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

I learned (surpringsly) that Aruban catering is done at AUA and the company is owned by an American. Was actually one of the best meals I have ever had on a flight despite the delivery truck looking filthy.


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5198 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9145 times:

I believe at Virgin Atlantic it is only Havana that is round catered.

User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 744 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9066 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 20):

Seats would need to be taken out, and additional trolley stowages fitted to achieve this too....



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User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Some BA longhaul flights are return catered as well -
LHR-LUN-LHR and
LHR-DAR-LHR spring to mind.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

Quoting david21487 (Reply 6):
The coach supplies are round tripped, but the meals for F are provided by one of the airport restaurants. It's that way in TUS and ELP as well.

Everytime I fly out of TUS (to MSP and ATL) the catering flew in with the plane. Coach and first.


User currently offlineRKSofACinUSA From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9382 times:

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 2):
Talking to an FA, I learned that AC stocks its YUL-ANU flight for the return, so I assume the same is done for much of the Caribbean.

AC return caters most flights to the eastern US (mostly Florida) in addition to much of the Caribbean.


User currently offlinesdak74 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

I believe when I flew AF from CDG to DLA and back the catering was brought along from Paris for the return trip.

Wonder if this is the case for many Europe-Africa flights?

[Edited 2013-01-15 07:45:21]

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

When AA went to rolling hubs, it shortened up turnaround times at spoke cities. By this point, AA had done away with meal service in coach, although I can't remember if it had started food for purchase.

So, only first class was getting catered. Coach was getting double catered at ORD, DFW, etc. I remember sitting at ATL and seeing the catering trucks pulling up only to R1, but never the rear serivce door on MD-80s.

However, since AA pulled part of the galley on the MD-80s and the 738s, I don't know if they still double cater narrowbodies at spoke cities.


User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 25):

Some BA longhaul flights are return catered as well -
LHR-LUN-LHR and
LHR-DAR-LHR spring to mind.

I just flew DAR-IST on TK's 737-900ER in J and it was clearly return catered from IST - the meal and selection were home-base quality and much better than the LAX-IST catering previously encountered!

I imagine many of their East Africa services are return-catered due to middle of the night short-haul style turn-arounds (4:25 am ex-DAR). There seem to be cart stowages all over the place on these a/c I guess for this very purpose.



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

DL and US flights into DAB are catered for rountrip flights including flights when the aircrafts stay over night in DAB

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 29):
I believe when I flew AF from CDG to DLA and back the catering was brought along from Paris for the return trip.

Wonder if this is the case for many Europe-Africa flights?

SWISS had a case some time ago where the crew had a feeling that the catering on an ex NBO flight was not hygienically fresh and no meal service could be provided on that flight except for some pretzels etc, the passengers got compensated though   I am sure these cases occur quite frequently with catering out of these countries and it would make much more sense to take the catering from the homebase in europe. Nevertheless with the continiuous cost efficiency measures I have a feeling that a lot of newly delivered aircraft don't have the capacity for the catering of the return flight

On another note EL AL also caters round trip to various european destinations such as ZRH.


User currently offlinepanpan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4783 times:

Thanks so much for posting such an interesting topic!

How do they store perishable and heatable food for the return on long haul flights? I didn't think aircraft had refrigeration at all.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting panpan (Reply 33):
How do they store perishable and heatable food for the return on long haul flights? I didn't think aircraft had refrigeration at all.

I think they are stored in dry ice, however, I could be wrong.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4674 times:

When two-class service returns to FWA (not a matter of if but when - I expect DL and ATL/MSP first with the new 9E pilot contract), if they serve meals in the F cabin, it will have to be return-catered.

The reason is simple: There are no catering facilities at FWA (and probably haven't been any for decades), though Spinach Ball operates in the old Kitty Hawk employee cafeteria and might be able to expand into airline meals. Almost every other airport the size of FWA (20 or so departures per day) is in the same boat of requiring return-catered flights when two-class jets start service.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 30
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
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I used to fly a lot IAH-MGA-IAH and on the return, MGA-IAH, the F meals were catered by the Camino Real hotel, which is right across the street from the airport. The breakfast was actually excellent, although it seemed exactly like what you would have gotten if you were eating at the bufett at the hotel. CO probably would have double catered the flight, but the morning return to IAH was the same plane that arrived the previous evening and overnighted, so that would have been impossible.

I also recall how AR got 60 passengers ill from cholera and a couple actually died, when they refused to cater at EZE all the way for their EZE-LIM-LAX flight when Peru was in the middle of a cholera epidemic in the late 80s. Every other airline was double catering or catering anywhere else but LIM, but no, AR thought it was ok to cater at LIM...



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User currently offlinejetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
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I was on a Delta LGA-TPA flight on time which returns back to LGA, I asked the FA if they take on any catering in TPA because I never see a catering truck pull up to the airplane and she said no, all the catering is loaded on at LGA for both flights.

She said the Delta does that on a lot of their flights of 3 hours or less because it is cheaper to load both flights from one truck using one driver as opposed to having another truck at the outstation just to cater the return flight.

JetStar


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting jetstar (Reply 37):
I was on a Delta LGA-TPA flight on time which returns back to LGA, I asked the FA if they take on any catering in TPA because I never see a catering truck pull up to the airplane and she said no, all the catering is loaded on at LGA for both flights.

She said the Delta does that on a lot of their flights of 3 hours or less because it is cheaper to load both flights from one truck using one driver as opposed to having another truck at the outstation just to cater the return flight.

JetStar

Looking at LSG Sky Chefs' website, DL isn't listed as one of their customers at TPA. Gate Gourmet also has ops at TPA, however, they don't list their customers on their website.

As a related question, what airlines does Gate Gourmet at JFK serve? Most of the U.S. carriers are served by LSG Sky Chefs, while several international airlines are served by Flying Food. What about Gate Gourmet? I think they used to have the DL contract until about 2006/2007; DL now uses LSG Sky Chefs.

I wonder why Gate Gourmet doesn't list customers on their website.

[Edited 2013-01-15 20:57:07]


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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting panpan (Reply 33):
How do they store perishable and heatable food for the return on long haul flights? I didn't think aircraft had refrigeration at all.

interesting question - on a UA 744 from SFO-HKG the rear Y galley had a row of carts with what appeared to be power supply cables plugged into them.

I assumed at the time that it was to refrigerate the food for the final meal service because of the long stretch of time between preparation and planned consumption...



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Power supply into carts? Never heard of it. Usually dry ice is used for cooling.


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 30
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4032 times:
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Quoting Fabo (Reply 40):
Power supply into carts? Never heard of it. Usually dry ice is used for cooling.

Yes it is. The FA on an LH flight, in F, put my insuline over dry ice, to keep it "refrigerated". Can´t blame her, but the insuline was destroyed on a 14 hr flight (FRA-EZE) halfway. I arrived at EZE with a blood sugar level of 250...



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 41):
Can´t blame her, but the insuline was destroyed on a 14 hr flight (FRA-EZE) halfway.

Damn. That is not a nice flight to get your insuline destroyed. She surely meant well, but I would have made sure that the patient, who would know better about handling, would approve of anything I would do to his medicine.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25205 posts, RR: 22
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 32):
On another note EL AL also caters round trip to various european destinations such as ZRH.

Probably cheaper than paying European caterers for Kosher meals.

[Edited 2013-01-16 16:56:29]

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 30
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
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Quoting Fabo (Reply 42):
but I would have made sure that the patient, who would know better about handling, would approve of anything I would do to his medicine.

When I asked her to please put it in cold storage (the ice packs on my cooler had melted) I assumed the 747 had refrigerators. They don´t, they carry packs of dry ice. So she put the vial and wrapped it in packs of dry ice. Of course it froze and was destroyed. Not her fault. But i did not know aircraft don´t have fridges.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Oh well, that explains it.

Mental note: always explain to pax there is dry ice, but not a fridge onboard....



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User currently offlineprflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Use a flexpen insulin. It can be carried around in room temperature. No refrigeration needed.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6188 posts, RR: 30
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
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Quoting prflyer (Reply 46):
Use a flexpen insulin. It can be carried around in room temperature. No refrigeration needed.

Now I do. Back then they were not available here.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3524 times:

I remember when there was a catering and cleaning that were on strike in Australia. Cathay Pacific had to bring outbound and inbound meals. Also cabin crew and pilots had to clean the cabin and toilets.


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User currently onlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

I don't think short/medium range aircraft (Boeing 757s and smaller) have refrigeration systems (chillers) in the galleys but the larger planes can be fitted with them. I recall seeing a video on Youtube showing an FA preparing a galley and they specifically mentioned chillers on the B767. Chillers are available from B/E Aerospace:

You can see the various types of equipment available for a galley here:
http://www.sell-interiors.net/Products/Product-Detail.aspx
http://www.driessen.com/pub/galleyequipment/equipmentrange/index.html
http://www.beaerospace.com/products/galley_beverage_makers.htm



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User currently offlineTravelsUK From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

I used to work for a major UK tour operator with Boeing 767 flights to Brazil, East Africa, Florida, Mexico etc.

The aircraft on long haul flights would be 'return' catered, there was a specially insulated LD3 container that was used to store the food for the return leg, food was hept cool during the flight and in transit using dry ice packs.

The only item that required uploading at the outstation was wet ice.

It was interesting to note that for the return flights, back to the UK, the starter salad would be a pasta salad dish with a pesto type dressing unlike the outward flights which would have a 'fresh' salad, this was done I assume to reduce the risk of any food bourne illness that might have arisen if fresh ingredients were not kept at a suitably cold temperature, pasta being a lower risk food item and wouldn't spoil over an extended period of time.

Breakfast boxes contained long life pastry items and juice and would simply be stored in the over head lockers in the passenger cabin until required for service.

I believe beverages were stored in regular catering trolleys in the galleys for the return legs as it was rare to hear of beverages running out on a return flight due to them being used on the outbound.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17035 posts, RR: 67
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 20):
Why can't be freeze the meals for the return trip and heat them up in Economy class.
Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 50):
It was interesting to note that for the return flights, back to the UK, the starter salad would be a pasta salad dish with a pesto type dressing unlike the outward flights which would have a 'fresh' salad, this was done I assume to reduce the risk of any food bourne illness that might have arisen if fresh ingredients were not kept at a suitably cold temperature, pasta being a lower risk food item and wouldn't spoil over an extended period of time.

It may actually have been a cosmetic thing. Green salad items rapidly look spoiled while pasta can last much longer.



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User currently offlineJarradS From Australia, joined Dec 2012, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3413 times:
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I don't know how EK works with their meals/pre-prepped stuff, but, for PER at least, they seem to send at least 1x 40ft sea container a week with their catering gear (i.e linen products, cutlery, pepsi/coke/schweppes cans, and (not gonna disclose the average cost, but you could buy a reasonable car with the values stated on their invoices..) alcohol) From DXB .

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User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 39):
interesting question - on a UA 744 from SFO-HKG the rear Y galley had a row of carts with what appeared to be power supply cables plugged into them.

That cable cord you see is use to head up food. If you notice the food tray served in Y on UA B744s is different than those of B777s or B763s. Not sure the reason behind it but doesn't seem like UA B744 is equipped with oven in Y.


User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 53):
That cable cord you see is use to head up food. If you notice the food tray served in Y on UA B744s is different than those of B777s or B763s. Not sure the reason behind it but doesn't seem like UA B744 is equipped with oven in Y.

Ah - ok: I would never have guessed no ovens on a UA 744 in Y... I guess it can now take the 'ghetto-bird' moniker from the 763s now that the latter have all been reconfigured  

I only guessed it was related to refrigeration because I saw them connected mid-flight, and nothing was being heated at that time (6 hours from the next meal service), so the logical conclusion was refrigeration...



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User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 49):

I don't think short/medium range aircraft (Boeing 757s and smaller) have refrigeration systems (chillers) in the galleys but the larger planes can be fitted with them. I recall seeing a video on Youtube showing an FA preparing a galley and they specifically mentioned chillers on the B767. Chillers are available from B/E Aerospace:

BA and former BD A32X aircraft have cart chillers in the rear galley. BD A320 and A321 aircraft also have fridges (A321 fwd galley, A320 rear galley) in place of one oven.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 38):
As a related question, what airlines does Gate Gourmet at JFK serve? Most of the U.S. carriers are served by LSG Sky Chefs, while several international airlines are served by Flying Food. What about Gate Gourmet? I think they used to have the DL contract until about 2006/2007; DL now uses LSG Sky Chefs

LSG is the largest caterer in JFK they have kitchens dedicated to AA and DL. I believe the DL kitchen does serve other airlines as well. Flying Food is now Servair and they just moved into the former Ogden kitchen. They serve mostly international carriers. DO&CO seems to be taking the place of Gate Gormet on many carriers. Gate Gourmet's problem is their kitchen is located in Inwood which even with no traffic is about a 10 minute drive from the airport. THere is only 1 route to the kitchen from JFK which is via Rockaway Blvd. which routinely is traffic filled during rush hour.



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User currently offlineAlasizon From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

For AS, from SEA, PDX and LAX, all of their flights to pretty much every station besides ANC, HNL, LAX, SEA, PDX (and I believe SNA as well although I may be wrong) are catered for the round trip as well. And the eastbound and southbound flights have the same options with the northbound and westbound flights having the other options.

For QX, all flights are return catered with the exception of the SEA-PDX shuttles. QX does all their own catering (if you could call it that) with their food and provisioning agents who drive a flat bed golf cart.

For DL, I believe most flights from a hub to a domestic station with less than 9 flights per day (overall) are round-catered.



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