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What Is The Space Above The A380 Cockpit Used For?  
User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20463 times:

There are several metres of space above the cockpit, forward of the upper passenger deck of the A380. I know some of it is taken up by the stairs, but what is the rest used for? Avionics and electrical systems are my guesses. Looking forward to hearing from the experts on here!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singa...irlines/Airbus-A380-841/1550283/L/

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User currently offlinesmws From Estonia, joined Jun 2012, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20488 times:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eaWmsrQbwI.../kS3l9J623Qk/s1600/Airbus+A380.jpg

According to this diagram, it should be air conditioning systems.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2633 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19937 times:

Quoting smws (Reply 1):
According to this diagram, it should be air conditioning systems.

Nice - a restaurant, duty free shops, cabins and staterooms. Which airline flies this configuration?


User currently offlinesmws From Estonia, joined Jun 2012, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19895 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
Nice - a restaurant, duty free shops, cabins and staterooms. Which airline flies this configuration?

PromotionalMaterials Air I think  

While most of the things on the diagram are BS, maybe the technical equipment bit is correct?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19866 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
Nice - a restaurant, duty free shops, cabins and staterooms. Which airline flies this configuration?

Yes, it is a poor drawing of the A380 and it doesn't seem to be an official drawing.

A388


User currently offlineairmagnac From Germany, joined Apr 2012, 311 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19483 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Thread starter):
Avionics and electrical systems are my guesses

Correct, the upper avionics bay is there, with an entrance from the cabin (the top of the main stairway, on the right side)
The Flight Crew Rest Compartment is also stuck in there, between the main cabin and the cockpit itself.



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18815 times:

Is it even certified to have passenger accommodation on the cargo deck as shown there? Or a passenger lift for that matter?

Entire top deck first class make it definite Fantasy Air no matter what, if there was that kind of F load to be had on a route we'd probably see every airline in the world trying to serve it multiple times a day with smaller planes...


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18451 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
Nice - a restaurant, duty free shops, cabins and staterooms. Which airline flies this configuration?

What, no bowling alley, hot tubs, or gym?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18198 times:
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 2):
Nice - a restaurant...

We have people passing bricks on this forum about battery fires on the 787. Now imagine chefs doing table-side flambé during turbulence!   



Quoting EIDL (Reply 6):
Entire top deck first class make it definite Fantasy Air no matter what...

And notice how the entire main deck is Business Class.  


User currently offlinejonnyclark From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17079 times:

Who drew that diagram? Four floors?! (Including baggage) and what appears to be the world largest fan blade in the empennage. Pinch of salt anyone?


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1153 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16700 times:

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 9):
Who drew that diagram? Four floors?! (Including baggage) and what appears to be the world largest fan blade in the empennage. Pinch of salt anyone?

What? Have you not tried the new Lufthansa Staterooms?


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16314 times:

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 9):
what appears to be the world largest fan blade in the empennage.

That's the aft pressure bulkhead. Nothing wrong there.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16246 times:
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This is the Flight Global original cutaway drawing :
A380cad

Enjoy !



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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 970 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16166 times:

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 9):
and what appears to be the world largest fan blade in the empennage.

Actually, I think that is supposed to be the aft pressure bulkhead.

But speaking of fan blades, for a good laugh, check out the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 at the bottom center of the diagram for the guy in the 'just about to be sucked in' pose. 

'Pantry', 'galleys', 'restaurant', 'bar'..............'toilets' ... look like they got the important things on there.




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User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2790 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16166 times:

I believe the answer is: Nothing. Emirates has showers here. I'm sure that'll keep going until the first time they hit turbulence and someone gets their skull impaled on the shower head. In the mean time, most airlines seem to use the space to carry extra air. Or... ?pictures? in Air France's case...


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 14):

Shower above cockpit. Probably not a good idea. I thought there was a shower leak on one of the 380s. Cannot recall the airline. May be SG.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
it is a poor drawing of the A380 and it doesn't seem to be an official drawing.

The diagram shows a number of seats forward of the front stairwell. If I am not mistaken, there are no passenger seats forward of this stairwell. Perhaps its a stretched version??


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13644 times:
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Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 15):
I thought there was a shower leak on one of the 380s. Cannot recall the airline. May be SG.

It was EK. They are the only airline currently operating with showers for passenger use.


User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12244 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
They are the only airline currently operating with showers for passenger use.

Are there showers for crew use? Looking at the way you have worded your reply makes me think there may be.



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11750 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 6):
Is it even certified to have passenger accommodation on the cargo deck as shown there? Or a passenger lift for that matter?

Maybe the LH A346 answers your question.


As for the drawing... oh boy. First thing I noticed was that the flight deck seems to be on the same floor as the main deck, which we know it isnt    Get that drawing out of my face!



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11607 times:

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 14):

Could that space (shown in the various photos) not put to better use? A revenue-generating private suite, perhaps?



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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11607 times:

Thank you very much for the informed and detailed replies everyone.

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 14):
In the mean time, most airlines seem to use the space to carry extra air. Or... ?pictures? in Air France's case...

I thought these 'areas' were situated at the rear of the upper deck? I agree with you that they are wasted space, especially the Air France gallery. I think they need a few more furnishings to be a small lounge.

Maybe they could use it as a cloak room or for something else?

Quoting smws (Reply 3):
PromotionalMaterials Air I think  

Where can I get a ticket?


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11480 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 20):
Could that space (shown in the various photos) not put to better use? A revenue-generating private suite, perhaps?

I believe they are ahead of the exit door and therefore do not meet the requirement to have an exit both forward and aft.


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

A380 nose arrangement


This area is also where the forward door of the upper deck will go for the A389.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17039 posts, RR: 66
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11386 times:

Quoting 747-600X (Reply 14):

I believe the answer is: Nothing. Emirates has showers here.
Quoting 747-600X (Reply 14):
I'm sure that'll keep going until the first time they hit turbulence and someone gets their skull impaled on the shower head

Shower heads can be quite wide, and made of plastic.

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 22):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 20):
Could that space (shown in the various photos) not put to better use? A revenue-generating private suite, perhaps?

I believe they are ahead of the exit door and therefore do not meet the requirement to have an exit both forward and aft.

And I believe you are correct.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12114 times:
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Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 18):
Are there showers for crew use? Looking at the way you have worded your reply makes me think there may be.

To my knowledge, the only A380s currently equipped with showers are in service with EK and they are for the use of First Class passengers.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4515 posts, RR: 18
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11921 times:

Looks like the Pilots have to rest standing up..


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17039 posts, RR: 66
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
Looks like the Pilots have to rest standing up..

Maybe it's a Ryanair thing. Standing pax, standing resting crew.  

I'd say that it works since the fuselage is probably a good 4 meters wide at that point. So they can stack the pilots crosswise.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):

Looks like the Pilots have to rest standing up..

Yeah & on the stairs too  



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User currently onlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2804 posts, RR: 59
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

This is how it looks in this compartment, it is the room for the aircond drum mixer (this was probably the only correct things in the first cutaway  ), where the recirculating air from the cabins is mixed with the fresh air from the air cond pacs in the wingroots, Tom calls it the snakepit   , good name:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/A380and3X0airmixerunit_zps83acf9df.jpg



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User currently offlineRottenRay From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 18):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
They are the only airline currently operating with showers for passenger use.


I totally missed this HUGE EARPHONE STORAGE AREA right below the cockpit, too:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/26415/1190578236KaEaG4.png
Are there showers for crew use?


Doesn't matter - in modern times, crew is barely paid to fly the plane... let alone smell good.

[Edited 2013-04-23 21:19:23]

User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
Now imagine chefs doing table-side flambé during turbulence!

I misread that as flatulence. Old age is a bitch!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

Quoting RottenRay (Reply 30):

Doesn't matter - in modern times, crew is barely paid to fly the plane... let alone smell good.

With the current Interaction between Crew & Pax.....Only the cabin crew would know if the Flight crew have not showered  

Anyone having a Flightglobal picture of the type.



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