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A330 Birdstrike Orlando  
User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 7872 times:
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FRom the AAIB + BEA :
Only the title as investigation is at the beginning :
": Birdstrike on departure. Engine was shut down and MAYDAY declared. Returned and landed
uneventfully. Damage to both engines, leading edges and radome.
"
Tht's serious and the multiplication of these occurrences is worrying. Beyond the dry officialese, the damage seems to have been very important.
Couldn't find anything in the press so I rely on the Tech-Ops supêrsleuths to provide us with more infos.
( It's on this forum as I want to avoid the quagmire Ciuv-Av has become).

Apparently, G-VKSS flew back three days later.

[Edited 2013-01-31 10:52:04]


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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8872 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Sounds like multiple birds involved.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

The sentence that states damage to both engines is a concern....


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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Quoting Pihero (Thread starter):
Quoting Pihero (Thread starter):
FRom the AAIB BEA :

Tried looking at the AAIB website but I can't seem to find the relevant report or bulletin...

BUT,

http://www.faa.gov/data_research/acc...reliminary_data/media/C_0122_N.txt

AND Layman talking:

http://asn.aerosoft.com/?p=18721

http://avherald.com/h?article=45c7d5a1&opt=0

Seems people on those site don't realise that A333 don't have fuel dump features. And I'm pretty sure that there is no such thing as overweight landing on A333, just heavy landing which only require extra inspection in normal circumstances. Or am I wrong? Would be grateful if someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Interesting that an A333 would be overweight for a Transatlantic trip. Or is it because it is a high density config aircraft?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
The sentence that states damage to both engines is a concern....

Only one of 2 engines was severely damaged to warrant a 1 engine shut down. Don't think that it would be prudent to shut down 2 engines no matter how bad it is damaged as long as it still produces thrust.

Just for entertainment sake. B757 2 engine damaged 1 engine shut down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZwsYtNDE

[Edited 2013-02-01 03:08:49]


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17001 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Seems people on those site don't realise that A333 don't have fuel dump features.

IT is a customer option on the 330. Don't know if this aircraft has the option.

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Only one of 2 engines was severely damaged to warrant a 1 engine shut down. Don't think that it would be prudent to shut down 2 engines no matter how bad it is damaged as long as it still produces thrust.

In some extreme cases, like where you have one engine shut down and the other one is uncontrollable (yes it has happened, and on a 330!), maybe shutting the live one down on short final is an option to consider.



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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7600 times:
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Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Interesting that an A333 would be overweight for a Transatlantic trip. Or is it because it is a high density config aircraft?

The landing weight is around 182,000 kg
With 311 pax, @ 100 kg average per pax and bag, the ZFW should have been around 155,000 kg... so yes, they were above max landing weight (MLW).
According to some posters on AvHerald, the birds imlplicated were "turkey vultures", averaging 2 kg... that could make a lot of damage... especially on a multiple strike.
A lot of respect for the solidity of these Rolls !



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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
In some extreme cases, like where you have one engine shut down and the other one is uncontrollable (yes it has happened, and on a 330!), maybe shutting the live one down on short final is an option to consider.

Interesting I was thinking of whether to write that down in my previous post (CX A333 incident). Local Cantonese media (irresponsible radio pundits) were saying that the pilots were risking the lives of all the pax on board eventhough they had warnings/alerts half way during their cruise. But that is the other extreme of a 2 engine failure. I shall not digress.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
With 311 pax, @ 100 kg average per pax and bag, the ZFW should have been around 155,000 kg... so yes, they were above max landing weight (MLW).

So if there was no fuel dump facility (presumably even if they have that option, the crew would have elected to land ASAP), do they just need to perform a simple 'Heavy landing' check (assuming the landing went well)?

Some pics of the damage done to the aircraft would be nice.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17001 posts, RR: 67
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7570 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 6):
So if there was no fuel dump facility (presumably even if they have that option, the crew would have elected to land ASAP), do they just need to perform a simple 'Heavy landing' check (assuming the landing went well)?

I believe so yes. If the plane passes the check, the pilots have landed her gently enough that it is like a normal landing.

AFAIK the big problems with an overweight landing are tire speed, brakes stress and the like, not so much stress to the structure. But I could be wrong.

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 6):
Local Cantonese media (irresponsible radio pundits) were saying that the pilots were risking the lives of all the pax on board eventhough they had warnings/alerts half way during their cruise. But that is the other extreme of a 2 engine failure. I shall not digress.

Certainly the crew were professional. As you say the mainstream media has no clue about technical matters and they like to pour petrol on the flames by sensationalizing. This is why I don't watch or listen to the news anymore. I get my news on the web and read heavily between the lines.

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
According to some posters on AvHerald, the birds imlplicated were "turkey vultures", averaging 2 kg... that could make a lot of damage... especially on a multiple strike.

An instructor I know hit one in a Cessna 172. Made a big dent in the leading edge of the wing, which lost a significant portion of its lifting ability. And down they spiraled (or spun, not sure). He recovered the plane a worryingly low altitude above a field and made an emergency landing, then they hit some bumps and the plane flipped over onto her back.

Those birds are scary big and tend to hang in flocks. A couple of approach ends I am familiar with seemed to be magnets for the things. Town planners putting landfills in "strategic" locations are not the most popular people with local pilots...

But I digress...

[Edited 2013-02-01 04:59:40]

[Edited 2013-02-01 05:00:03]


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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

Quoting Pihero (Thread starter):
Quoting Pihero (Thread starter):
FRom the AAIB + BEA

Just a matter of curiosity but why would BEA be involved in this particular investigation. As far as we can ascertain so far it's a simple birdstrike and has nothing to do with the design of the aircraft itself. Would the state that manufacture the aircraft be investigating such 'minute' events or is it just a bulletin saying that there was an incident with an Airbus?

Hope that someone can enlighten me.

[Edited 2013-02-01 05:29:38]


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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1588 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Just for entertainment sake. B757 2 engine damaged 1 engine shut down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...YtNDE

I'm pretty sure only 1 engine was damaged (and shut-down) in that incident.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 8):

It is a thing of custom and "good manners" to invite the agency of aircraft manufacturing country.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2328 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 8):
Quoting Fabo (Reply 10):

Just googled and found some accident investigation regulations (here from Malta):

7. (1) Where an investigation into an accident or a serious incident is being carried out by an investigator-in-charge under these regulations, any other State being -
(a) the State of registry;
(b) the State of design;
(c) the State of manufacture;
(d) the State of the operator; or
(e) a State which, on request, provides information, facilities or experts in an investigation,

shall be entitled to appoint an accredited representative to participate in all aspects of the investigation.

(2) The accredited representative shall be permitted to -
(a) visit the scene of the accident;
(b) examine the wreckage;
(c) question witnesses;
(d) receive copies of all pertinent documents (saving all such just exceptions as may be determined by the investigator);
(e) have full access to all relevant evidence as soon as possible;
(f) make submissions;
(g) participate in readouts of recorded media; and
(h) participate in any off-scene investigative activities.


All countries belonging to the ICAO have the same (or similar) regulations. I'm just reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afriqiyah_Airways_Flight_771 about the 8U A330 crash in TIP, and the Libyan investigators claimed a heart attack. I wonder how much access the Dutch investigators had.


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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7329 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
But I digress...

No, you don't . That's interesting to me as I've never seen them in flocks.Your remark about landfills seems to be spot on.
It would have requires a hit or two one or two meters on either side of the wing impacts to damage the second engine and the situation would have been more serious.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17001 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 7):
But I digress...

No, you don't . That's interesting to me as I've never seen them in flocks.Your remark about landfills seems to be spot on.
It would have requires a hit or two one or two meters on either side of the wing impacts to damage the second engine and the situation would have been more serious.

To be exact, they are not a "flocking" bird. However if there is something "interesting" on the ground you can see 10-20 in a relatively small area.

For example, the approach paths to 6 at ISM and (if memory serves) 5 at KGIF seemed to always have a bunch hanging out. 6 at ISM has some nice swampy patches that probably had prey, and 5 at KGIF has a landfill according to an examiner. It was often a game of "dodge the bird" if you had a straight in final.

[Edited 2013-02-01 16:20:30]


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User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

*If* they had had the fuel dump option, what should they have done?

Dump then land or land immediately given the second engine hit?


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User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7132 times:
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You'd have quite a few options, depending on your situation, the state of the aircraft ( and of the remaining engine ), the geometry of the runway (s)... etc...
With an engine intact, dumping would be the best solution.
Here, with doubts over the engine condition, ,a mayday, followed by an immediate return-and-land was the wisest.

Anyone with pics or new developments ?



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
To be exact, they are not a "flocking" bird. However if there is something "interesting" on the ground you can see 10-20 in a relatively small area.

The bottom line is that you rarely see one. They also use the thermals generated from the concrete/asphalt, which is a reason why they circle over runways even if there is no food around.

I got close to some at KPIE this week. There were probably 10-20 at the departure end of 18L at various 'dangerous' altitudes.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
The sentence that states damage to both engines is a concern....

Only one of 2 engines was severely damaged to warrant a 1 engine shut down. Don't think that it would be prudent to shut down 2 engines no matter how bad it is damaged as long as it still produces thrust.

Just for entertainment sake. B757 2 engine damaged 1 engine shut down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...YtNDE

I was stating that "damage" to both engines is a concern.....no way did I state that both engines were shutdown.
Also The B757 link provided was a single engine bird strike......



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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
I was stating that "damage" to both engines is a concern.....no way did I state that both engines were shutdown.
Also The B757 link provided was a single engine bird strike......

Yes, I've noticed that... My bad... Googled "Birdstrike Manchester 757" and a BBC news came up stating a double bird strike had occurred. So I wrongly linked that video to that incident.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 18):

Yes, I've noticed that... My bad... Googled "Birdstrike Manchester 757" and a BBC news came up stating a double bird strike had occurred. So I wrongly linked that video to that incident.

No Issues.....What great about this video is that it clearly demonstrates how a small bird can create such an expensive damage....



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User currently offlinemcoatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 190 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6176 times:

Quoting bond007 (Reply 16):
The bottom line is that you rarely see one. They also use the thermals generated from the concrete/asphalt, which is a reason why they circle over runways even if there is no food around.

There are quite a lot of turkey vultures around MCO, and central FL in general. For those not familiar, MCO is the 3rd largest airfield in the US based on acreage and much of it is forested/wetlands with heavy animal activity.

Reference the incident at hand, both engines did sustain quite a bit of damage. Although #2 was not shut down, it did have heavy vibration. A few more well-placed birds and this incident would have been much more publicized for all the wrong reasons.

Quoting faro (Reply 14):
*If* they had had the fuel dump option, what should they have done?

Dump then land or land immediately given the second engine hit?

They did not have the dump option to my understanding, and I have to imagine with the crippled state of the #2 engine, an overweight landing is a far superior option with a 12,000' runway available than circling with one questionable motor to dump fuel.

Someone will have to clarify, but an EI pilot told us a couple of days later that the dump option on the 330 is not normally taken, and customers instead opt for heavier brakes/gear instead. Pihero, can you verify this?

Quoting Pihero (Reply 15):
Anyone with pics or new developments ?

PM me for pics.


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4392 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6159 times:
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Quoting mcoatc (Reply 20):
. Although #2 was not shut down, it did have heavy vibration.

That's one of my questions. Thanks.

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 20):
Someone will have to clarify, but an EI pilot told us a couple of days later that the dump option on the 330 is not normally taken, and customers instead opt for heavier brakes/gear instead.

That's correct. The dumping system adds complexity / weight / maintenace to the aircraft. Overweight landings are aprt of the certification and it's a non event.



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 20):
Quoting bond007 (Reply 16):
The bottom line is that you rarely see one. They also use the thermals generated from the concrete/asphalt, which is a reason why they circle over runways even if there is no food around.

There are quite a lot of turkey vultures around MCO, and central FL in general. For those not familiar, MCO is the 3rd largest airfield in the US based on acreage and much of it is forested/wetlands with heavy animal activity.

To clarify ... when I said "you rarely see one", I should have said "you rarely see JUST one" ....



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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5286 times:
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Hard/Overweight landings - In these days of ACMS data can be extracted from the DFDR to identify the Vertical Acceleration (VRTA) & the Rad Alt Vertical Rate of Descent (RALR) during landing. Calculations are then carried out using the MAX VRTA, Min VRTA & RALR to detemine whether inspections are necessary.

If within limits no further action required.


User currently offlineChaosTheory From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

An update for this incident:

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...s%20A330-343,%20G-VKSS%2009-13.pdf

Investigation

Examination of the aircraft in Orlando revealed impact damage to the radome, the left engine nose cowl, three fan blades fitted to the left engine and two fan blades fitted to the right engine. No defects were identified with the engine oil system. Analysis of the bird remains recovered from the engines indicated that the birds were probably Ring-necked Ducks, of between 1.5 lb and 2 lb in weight, and that each engine had ingested one bird.

After confirming the serviceability of both engines, the damaged fan blades and the left engine nose cowl were replaced. The aircraft completed an uneventful ferry flight back to the UK where the left engine was removed for overhaul.


User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2195 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
To be exact, they are not a "flocking" bird. However if there is something "interesting" on the ground you can see 10-20 in a relatively small area.

When the Turkey or Black Vultures are flying they are are known as a kettle, and are also called a committee, venue or volt. When they are on the ground eating, they are called a wake. See single and or groups of these birds around MCO a lot. Flying into MCO, almost always pass by a few of these birds on approach. And they do get up in altitude. And there is a lot of them in Central Florida.

Anyway, as stated above, these were more than likely ring necked ducks, a smaller bird than the vultures around MCO.

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 3):
Only one of 2 engines was severely damaged to warrant a 1 engine shut down.

The engine was showing zero oil pressure through the EEC oil pump failure logic, that is why the crew shut it down. Turns out it is a engine software problem that has a sensitivity to vibration that will end up showing 'zero' oil pressure to the crew. Rolls-Royce was working on a fix for this. Both engines were able to make power.



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User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3666 times:

Last thursday we hit a flock of around 200 starlings just after liftoff. Hit at least 30 of them (what ATC told us later), had a nasty compressor stall and returned back practically on single engine. It is quite difficult to see them when RVR is 300 m..








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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 21):

All of HA's A332 have fuel dump capability.

Quoting Dufo (Reply 26):

Messy messy!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 28, posted (8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting Dufo (Reply 26):
Hit at least 30 of them (what ATC told us later), had a nasty compressor stall and returned back practically on single engine. It is quite difficult to see them when RVR is 300 m..

Which Airport was this.



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User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

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User currently offlinelowbank From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2009, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Even these minor events are of interest to the manufacturer.
All bird strikes have DNA evidence taken and a report on damage caused.
Events should be as predicted, if not designs need to change to take account of actual events.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 31, posted (8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Dufo (Reply 29):
Ljubljana, Slovenia - LJLJ

Is it common occurances out here or was this one rare case.



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