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Airline In House Fueling VS Contract Fueling  
User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

I know in years past many airlines at their larger stations did their own fueling of aircraft. United, American, Southwest, TWA come to mind that had their own in house fueling department. The trend over the past years has seen the in house fueling contracted out to 3rd party vendors ie ASIG, Swissport, Skytanking. I was wondering if any airlines here in the US still do their own fueling of aircraft? I swear I saw a Southwest fuel tanker in DAL and then again in ELP so maybe SW still does their own still?

[Edited 2013-02-07 06:44:54]


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User currently offlinewoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1042 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

AA does their own fueling in Tulsa.

Well the fuel truck has AA plastered all over it.

[Edited 2013-02-07 07:32:30]


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User currently offlinefuelfool From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

FX fuels their own planes in MEM. However, their tanks are managed by a 3rd party.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
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DL does fueling at SAV, well DGS which is part of Delta. DL also maintains the fuel farm at ATL. I believe AA maintains a fuel farm at ORD as well.


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 3):

I did not know DGS fueled planes
http://deltaglobalaviation.com/products.html

I know Regional Elite fueled aircraft.

Now why would DL or AA own and maintain a fuel farm? I know ASIG runs LAX FUEL and Swissport runs the PHX farm but would an airline own a fuel farm when they are not providing the fuel?



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User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

I know Northwest used to do their own fueling, because the company I worked for had some of their old trucks. A lot of times at the larger airports a consortium is formed and the fuel farm is ran by a 3rd party but owned by the airlines in the consortium.


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1872 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
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KLM has their own fuelling company at AMS. They do offer fueling contracts to other airlines, but as far as I know they only sell fuel from supplier Shell. If another airline at AMS wants another fuel supplier, i.e. AirBP or Total or whatever, they will have to contract a third party fuel company (of which AMS has two) that will pump the fuel for the suppliers.

Whats even more interesting is that the actual fuel flow (and I think all stores as well) is all the same and is pooled by the suppliers.

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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

CO used to do their own fueling at ORD but contracted it out after new regulations required more training and recordkeeping. The fuel farm was owned by the City, hydrant trucks owned by a contractor and operated by CO employees.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
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Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):
Now why would DL or AA own and maintain a fuel farm? I know ASIG runs LAX FUEL and Swissport runs the PHX farm but would an airline own a fuel farm when they are not providing the fuel?

Because you can pay a contractor a flat fee per plane fueled rather than paying per gallon pumped.



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User currently onlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Thread starter):
I swear I saw a Southwest fuel tanker in DAL and then again in ELP so maybe SW still does their own still?

Can't speak for ELP, but I know that Skytanking has been doing WN at DAL for a while now.



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User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

From what I have researched it seems that SkyTanking took over the in house fueling from Southwest at a number of stations where Southwest was doing their own fueling. Not sure about MDW but I know Southwest does/did their own fueling there too.


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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2510 times:

HA does all its own fuel in HNL, only.
Every other station is done by a 3rd party as mentioned above.



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User currently offlinesurfpunk From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Not sure when NW stopped doing their own fueling, but MSP was 3rd-party back in the late-80s, early 90s, when I worked for Butler Aviation (became Signature FS after the merger with Page AvJet). MSP fueling was done through a consortium at the Lindbergh Terminal (now Terminal 1). We provided fueling services for all airlines at Lindbergh, with the exception of the commuter stuff (Mesaba, Great Lakes, etc). This was long before the commuter terminal was built (Concourses A and B).

User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

I'm not aware of Southwest doing any of their own fueling in any of the stations. Are you certain you've seen Southwest personnel fueling?

User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Well I cannot say for certain that Southwest had done their own fueling in the past, but the trucks were painted in their colors.


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