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E-Jet Operational Temperature  
User currently offlinea320fan From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 72 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

I have heard a rumor that E-Jets can only operate in temperatures below 35 degrees C. Is this true? If so what do operators do if the temp is above 35. I know that Virgin Australia flies E-jet aircraft into MQL and AYQ where temperature's are very often above this "limit" as well as the large capital city airports of SYD , BNE, MEL, PER and other's during summer months exceeding this often. Surely an airline wouldn't put up with an aircraft that cannot fly in commonly crossed conditions in there operation. I don't believe this rumor and I cannot remember where I heard it from. I thought I would put it out to the A.net experts for clarification.


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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

I imagine that it is (like a lot of airliners)..

ISA + 35.

The ERJ-145 series is limited at that, can't imagine the 170/190's being other than that.



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User currently offlinea320fan From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 1):

I imagine that it is (like a lot of airliners)..

ISA + 35.

Ah, That makes a lot more sense, Thankyou.



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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 1):
The ERJ-145 series is limited at that, can't imagine the 170/190's being other than that.

Same for the 170.



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User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

The 170 can T/O and Land in heat up to ISA+35C. Pressure altitudes -1000ft to +8000ft (E190 can go to +10000ft). T/O and Land cold limit is -40C. In flight cold limit is -54C up to 25000ft, and then linearly to -62C at 36000ft, holding at -62C all the way up to 41,000ft.


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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

On a more general note, what elements of the aircraft will fail if these temperatures are exceeded?

I would guess the engines, being that they have temperatures in the 3-5 hundreds of degrees C, would not be affected by such "small" variations of temperature (well, apart of course from thrust being affected)? So what else?



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User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Well, as for my airline, in the US we generally will use Jet A fuel which has a gelling point of around -40C, so I'm guessing that our -40C T/O/LDG cold limit is a precaution to prevent fuel feed problems during critical phases of flight. In Canada, we usually get Jet A1 which has a gelling point of around -50C. As for the other limits, there are better experts than me on this board.


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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 5):
On a more general note, what elements of the aircraft will fail if these temperatures are exceeded?

I would guess the engines, being that they have temperatures in the 3-5 hundreds of degrees C, would not be affected by such "small" variations of temperature (well, apart of course from thrust being affected)? So what else?

I would say it is not a question of "something will fail" but rather "it is not worth bothering to certify".



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting loggat (Reply 4):
The 170 can T/O and Land in heat up to ISA+35C. Pressure altitudes -1000ft to +8000ft (E190 can go to +10000ft). T/O and Land cold limit is -40C. In flight cold limit is -54C up to 25000ft, and then linearly to -62C at 36000ft, holding at -62C all the way up to 41,000ft.

AC had to cancel some flights operated by Jazz CRJ-200s in 2008 when temperatures at Yellowknife (YZF) in Canada's Northwest Territories dropped below -40C for several days (not unusual). Carriers using 737s kept operating normally.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2008/01/29/cold-jazz.html


User currently offlineloggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

We've had planes stranded in YEG for a couple of days due to the -40C. Luckily, I wasn't on the stranded crew either time.


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