Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Pilots And Visas Questions  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2971 times:

Hey guys,

I've been knee-deep in the pile of paperwork that is my visa to move back to japan beginning in March, and I've wondered something...

when pilots fly to different countries, do the airlines/nations provide them with special visas and passports, or what are the procedures here?

For example, when I fly to Japan for my short stays, I receive an exit card with my departure flight written on it. Are pilots just issued this?

What about for flights to humanitarian areas; I know the people going there are issued special visas; what about the pilots?


One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
13 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2940 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Ia Orana !

It depends on the passport the airline crew is holding, it is not particular to the pilots. For French passport holders working for any airline they have to have a crew visa for the following countries if their airline operate to these countries : China, Russia, USA.



Ia Maitai to tatou tere !
User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8861 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
when pilots fly to different countries, do the airlines/nations provide them with special visas and passports, or what are the procedures here?

When I go to Japan, I get issued a shore pass on arrival, this limits my movement to 200 km around the city or arrival, I do not need a pre-issued visa, my details are on file, I just supply the finger prints, photo, and forms on arrival. Other countries I fly to my passport is confiscated on arrival, and returned on departure. Some have non paperwork at all, others require a crew deceleration, some require a crew/work visa to be issued prior to departure.

The procedure is country specific and tends to be different depending on the passport held. If you are arriving in a country from where the passport was issued it tends to be easier than a foreign country (this is the case in Japan). Some of the procedures have not been modernized at all, some countries have moved with the times.



We are addicted to our thoughts. We cannot change anything if we cannot change our thinking – Santosh Kalwar
User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4388 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting zeke (Reply 2):
Other countries I fly to my passport is confiscated on arrival, and returned on departure.

That reminds me of an arrival into Cairo, where the procedure still stands.
The Tristar was full ;The cabin crew was quite busy helping illiterate passengers fill their landing forms and the purser had to be everywhere to help, manage the cabin...etc... He normally was in charge of collecting all the crew members passports and filled transit forms but that day, he asked the most junior stewardess in his woirds :"Get the passports and give them to me".
Some time later, he noticed the girl pulling a black bin bag along an aisle and asked her what she was doing. She said, "I'm collecting the passports as you asked."... She'd already done 2/3 of the cabin !
We were nearly three hours late getting out of the airport (When you have 50 Patels and 100 Singhs, it's not easy to sort the paxes out).



Contrail designer
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
when pilots fly to different countries, do the airlines/nations provide them with special visas and passports, or what are the procedures here?

The only country which actually needs a visa prior entry is the USA. We have to go to the embassy with all the paperwork, leave our passport there (during that time we cannot fly as we don't have a passport).
Most countries give you a crew visa or landing permit for your stay in their country. Like China. You get an official document where all the names, passport numbers etc are filled in and send to China prior our arrival. Documents will be checked upon arrival.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
For example, when I fly to Japan for my short stays, I receive an exit card with my departure flight written on it. Are pilots just issued this?

In Japan you get a shore pass as already explained in the posts before mine.

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

we actually had China and India visas. We also had the Shengan (?) visa for Europe.For the longest time we didn't have any visa going into France but that changed quickly one day. In some countries if the flight changed and you were deadheaded out in lieu of flying out it could become a real mess. The co. handled the renewals but we had to fly only domestic while the passport was sent away, usually a week was all.

User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

All depends on where you want to go. I have a crew visa for China, and a business visa for Qatar, and Brazil.

Most places let you get by with just keeping the GENDEC with you while you are on layover.



Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4388 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2541 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

The "Shengen Space " comes from ab accord between 26 European countries who decide on on single frontier : Anybody accepted by one of these countries has free access to the rest of the space. The countries are the 27 EU members minus great Britain, Ireland, Bulgaria, Cyprus and Romanian plus Norway, Island, Switzerland and Lichtenstein.

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 5):
.For the longest time we didn't have any visa going into France but that changed quickly one day.

A tit for tat reaction to the US requiring a visa... In virtue of the Shengen accord, you need the "Shengen" visa.



Contrail designer
User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Right, interestingly we could move about the EU with no problem but FRA still insisted we go thru passport control. This was a little confusing at times because officers would see we had just arrived from CDG and motion us thru but the next night they would ask us why we didn't have a stamp!

User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4388 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Welcome to the club !
Even we are sometimes subject to some arbitrary decisions from passport officers in the Shengen area... But it happens les and less often nowadays..



Contrail designer
User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

PHX787

...when pilots fly to different countries, do the airlines/nations provide them with special visas and passports, or what are the procedures here?...


One or two countries I flew to required operating crew names to have been pre-notified to them (by the airline) so that they could inspect the crew names and place them on some sort of "authorised crew" document or list for their immigration officials.

However, in thirty-seven years of flying international routes worldwide for a UK airline, there was only ever one country that required me to have a (crew) visa, stamped in my passport, before operating there, and that was the USA.

Every country is entitled to set its own immigration rules, and if you want to enter that country you have to abide by them, but given that the procedure for obtaining a US visa - as described by wilco737 - was rather tedious, I'm very thankful that the other ninety or so countries I flew to over the years didn't have the same requirements!

Best Regards

Bellerophon

[Edited 2013-02-11 08:03:11]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
when pilots fly to different countries, do the airlines/nations provide them with special visas and passports, or what are the procedures here?

The only country which actually needs a visa prior entry is the USA. We have to go to the embassy with all the paperwork, leave our passport there (during that time we cannot fly as we don't have a passport).
Most countries give you a crew visa or landing permit for your stay in their country. Like China. You get an official document where all the names, passport numbers etc are filled in and send to China prior our arrival. Documents will be checked upon arrival.

I was on a plane, which got diverted from YYZ to DTW because of the blizzard two days ago. I didn´t have a visa for the US, but the border officials were very helpfull and gave me a once off permit to stay for up to 4 days (though we left net morning). I will now apply for a C1/B crew visa, so that this won´t happen again.
In Shanghai the authorities will take the passports on arrival and only return them later close to departure stamped, even if we only stay for three hours.

Jan


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Crew operating both into and then out of the UK get seven days dispensation. Fly out commercially and if you're a visa national you have to obtain a visa prior to travel.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...law/guidance/ecg/crm/crm2/#header4

As stated in the link though, the definition of crew for the purposes of the concession is quite narrow.



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2258 times:

Thanks for the info guys!

Now does the same apply to test flights across borders? I recall the 10,000+ mile 787 flight from PAE to Dhaka....



One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Pilots And Visas Questions
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
Boeing 777 Engine And APU Questions posted Wed Dec 29 2010 14:36:15 by Thrust
A380 And B737 Questions posted Mon Sep 6 2010 12:16:48 by dldtw1962
Engine Rotation And Thrust Questions posted Thu Jun 17 2010 17:32:24 by CFBFrame
A320 Wing Design And Detailed Questions. posted Mon Jun 8 2009 16:12:17 by EcuadorianMD11
Pilots And The Love Of Flying? posted Sun Nov 30 2008 01:56:20 by Allpress
Low Time Pilots And Near-Misses? posted Fri May 9 2008 15:37:00 by Marklavoine
Yikes! Female Pilots And Menstruation posted Sat Sep 1 2007 18:11:03 by FLY2HMO
Pilots And Cancer, Part 2 posted Mon Feb 5 2007 01:33:17 by BuyantUkhaa
Pilots And Mechs: Best And Worst Days At Work? posted Sat Jul 29 2006 11:18:42 by Matt72033
777: T/O And Landing Questions posted Sun Jul 9 2006 18:53:58 by Capt.Fantastic

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format