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The Black Cockpit Windows Of The A350  
User currently offline14ccKemiskt From Sweden, joined Nov 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

I don't seem to find anything on this topic on the entire Internet, so I'll try to start it here.

What is the deal with the black cockpit windows of the Airbus A350? All official renderings that has been published, regardless of airline livery, are showing the posts between the cockpit windows painted black - giving the A350 a distinct different look than any other twin engined airplane of its size. And as we've seen from the first plane assembled, the posts are not made of any specific black material that cannot be painted.

Now, i figure that the reason behind this specific design detail is to distinguish the model from all similar looking planes out there but some questions do arise. Mainly, will the airlines have any say in this? If Airbus refuses to deliver any A350 without the "sunglasses", could the operator re-paint the posts between the windows if they like? Or will they have to sign an agreement with Airbus where they promise not to remove the model "distinguisher"?

Flying a A350 will probably be something that the airlines wants to highlight, which gives them few reasons to remove the black cockpit, at least in the early years. But what will happen later on? And, on the other hand: What prohibits any airline from painting the window posts black on any other airplane model, say a A330, to mimic the A350 and thereby pretending to have a cooler plane than they actually do?

Someone here who has insight (or opinions) in this minor, but nevertheless interesting, topic?

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

The A350 XWB had only 4 windows at first, with two huge ones wrapping around the cockpit, that made it look different. Later a more usual design came about (in part because customers were worried changing a window would be very expensive) so they used this trick to keep the look.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12275 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10342 times:
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The windows aren't really black - look at photos of the real plane rather than computer renditions.


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User currently offline14ccKemiskt From Sweden, joined Nov 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
The windows aren't really black - look at photos of the real plane rather than computer renditions

No, of course the windows themselves are normal. I'm referring to the space between the windows.

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User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

It's about the only thing differentiating the 350 visually, hides a rather ugly nose (also nothing like the renderings) and gives the plane some character. Probably just a marketing device but hope they stick with it for the house livery at least.

User currently offlineTriniA340 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9912 times:

It seems every single Airbus rendering & display model of the A350 (house, as well as customers' liveries) show the black cockpit window framing. Maybe it's what they're going with for the flight test/display aircraft. I think it adds some beauty to it and reduces the 'bespectacled' look of the plane. Hopefully, all A350s will be painted so!  


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User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Maybe it has something to do with reflections? If you take a look at a lot of older planes from the 60s and 70s you'll notice black anti-reflective paint being used on the section just below the cockpit windows.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 6):
Maybe it has something to do with reflections? If you take a look at a lot of older planes from the 60s and 70s you'll notice black anti-reflective paint being used on the section just below the cockpit windows.

I wouldn't have thought so. Essentially the same 737 nose has been flying around without the anti-glare panel for a few decades now. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, became fashionable and was eventually dropped. I don't see how the external surfaces of the pillars could reflect sunlight into the pilots' eyes.

I'm more inclined to believe it's rendered that way at the moment just to look good. Sometimes these things look good from a distance but lose their appeal close up, e.g. at the gate.


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1340 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8762 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 7):

I wouldn't have thought so. Essentially the same 737 nose has been flying around without the anti-glare panel for a few decades now.

No, that's still there. They just found a way to make the native livery colors anti-glare, so it isn't very obvious.

I think the 350 needs to keep the burgler glasses. I like that look for it (though personally I think it's a very good looking airplane any way they dress it up!).



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 8):
No, that's still there

OK... essentially the same nose has been flying around without the black anti-glare panel for decades now. In any case, I'm still having difficulty seeing how glare from the outside of the pillars could find its way into the pilots eyes.


User currently offline14ccKemiskt From Sweden, joined Nov 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 8):

Well, yes. The A350 is after all a very plain looking airplane. The 787 at least has some details like the chevrons. The A350 has nothing. But the black cockpit actually makes it look rather cool.


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

It occurred to me that it may be due to what the frames are made of, rather than just a styling detail. In times past the window frames were usually left unpainted aluminium, as shown in the Western Airlines 737 photo. Now they tend to be painted the same as the fuselage. Maybe Airbus wanted to leave them as unpainted composite, i.e. black?

When I saw the thread title I thought of the "Heart of Gold" spaceship in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. That had a very black cockpit finish, at least in the book IIRC. Maybe the A350 has an infinite improbability drive too?  



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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 11):
Maybe Airbus wanted to leave them as unpainted composite, i.e. black?

Isn't the nose section of the A-350 aluminum?


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting yeelep (Reply 12):
Isn't the nose section of the A-350 aluminum?

You're right, I should have checked before speculating. With so much composite in the structure, and with carbon fibre being black, I put 2 and 2 together and made 5. It was meant as suggested possible reason why, not a statement of a fact, but looking back it read like one.

On a separate issue, and being very pedantic, the designation is A350, not A-350.



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User currently offlineORDfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

A few months since this has been posted, and it doesn't appear to be answered. I have been thinking recently as well: are the black window frames going to be a "permanent" feature of all future A350s, or will they be painted over in their respective carriers' liveries, accordingly?

I actually think the A350 nose is quite nice, but the black paint around the cockpit doesn't really do it any favors.


User currently offlinecelestar From Singapore, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Hi Guys, as a plane lover, do you not think the A350 nose and head gives the same look like the German night interceptor HE 219 Owl? Maybe I gave too much beer today!
Anyway, I do like the A350 instead of the 787 for its squat looking short landing gear look.


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1515 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting celestar (Reply 15):
Hi Guys, as a plane lover, do you not think the A350 nose and head gives the same look like the German night interceptor HE 219 Owl? Maybe I gave too much beer today!

No. But a big yes on the beer   

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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4308 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

For some reason I think this looks great.


The Prototype L1011 had the same black window frames and it looked outstanding, I think some operators may have kept them that way as well.



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User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 861 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Black cockpit surrounds enhanced most Dornier 228s as well, whose 1960s Do-28 cockpit windows didn't quite fit with the stylish redesign of the rest of the airframe.

Regards - musang


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10287 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting ORDfan (Reply 14):
A few months since this has been posted, and it doesn't appear to be answered. I have been thinking recently as well: are the black window frames going to be a "permanent" feature of all future A350s, or will they be painted over in their respective carriers' liveries, accordingly?

As far as I know, it's a cosmetic feature only. So it's up to each customer to decide.



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