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Easyjet 319: Weird Buttons  
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 788 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

If anyone can identify these green buttons on the 319 pedestal (right above the throttle quadrant, inside the red box) I only seem to see them on U2 319.. What are the use and purpose of these buttons?



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User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 614 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Indicates that the cabin is secure for either take off or landing. It's actually a flap that is flipped from one side to the other.

[Edited 2013-02-28 10:46:00]

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Those are indicator lights, not switches.

That terminology is one of my pet peeves. The only "buttons" on a Flight Deck are on the pilots' shirts. There are Switches, Selectors and Keys on the flight deck.

Are those indicator lights something that is a catalog option on Airbus's, or was it a custom or retrofit installation for EasyJet only?


User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Those are indicator lights, not switches.

That terminology is one of my pet peeves. The only "buttons" on a Flight Deck are on the pilots' shirts. There are Switches, Selectors and Keys on the flight deck.

Are those indicator lights something that is a catalog option on Airbus's, or was it a custom or retrofit installation for EasyJet only?

Sorry to correct you,

No lights. It's just a plastic slide mechanism indicating if the cabin is secure for landing or not  

As far as I have seen cockpits in Europe I've only seen easyjet use it  .



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 3):
No lights. It's just a plastic slide mechanism indicating if the cabin is secure for landing or not

So the pilots just slide something back and forth to remind themselves which condition they are in? (Ready for movement, or not?).


User currently offlineDunaA320 From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 614 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
So the pilots just slide something back and forth to remind themselves which condition they are in? (Ready for movement, or not?).

Yes. When the call is made from the cabin to inform the flight deck that the cabin is secured for either take off or landing, the slide is flipped over to the relevant side.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 3):
As far as I have seen cockpits in Europe I've only seen easyjet use it

BA has a very similar arrangement, but it is out in the fwd galley and moved by the cabin crew.
The pilots can see it on the video screen that is there for cockpit entry control.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
That terminology is one of my pet peeves. The only "buttons" on a Flight Deck are on the pilots' shirts. There are Switches, Selectors and Keys on the flight deck.

Not on an Airbus. The FCOM refers to numerous "pushbuttons" on the flight deck.

-Mir



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User currently offlinemusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 5):
Yes. When the call is made from the cabin to inform the flight deck that the cabin is secured for either take off or landing, the slide is flipped over to the relevant side.

British people has too good memory to remember this. I suppose this is a human performance tool, or visual management, however you wanna call it.



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User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 5):
Yes. When the call is made from the cabin to inform the flight deck that the cabin is secured for either take off or landing, the slide is flipped over to the relevant side.

Seems like a pretty strange feature. Doesn't seem entirely necessary.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting flight152 (Reply 9):
Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 5):
Yes. When the call is made from the cabin to inform the flight deck that the cabin is secured for either take off or landing, the slide is flipped over to the relevant side.

Seems like a pretty strange feature. Doesn't seem entirely necessary.

There are a LOT of things to keep track of. Anything that increases situational awareness and decreases pilot workload, especially with such a simple feature, should be encouraged.

It's the little things that will kill you...



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
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Is a button not any small knob used to activate an electrical current?


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14131 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Many airlines use a similar indicator to show the autoland CAT status of the aircraft. It will be set by maintenance and will indicate if the aircraft has been downgraded in it´s autoland performance, e.g. because of a deferred defect.

Jan


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
That terminology is one of my pet peeves. The only "buttons" on a Flight Deck are on the pilots' shirts.

Funny what people get worked up about.


That is truly hilarious !



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User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

While on the terminology bandwagon, my pet peeve is when people are calling it 'finals' instead of 'final'.
There is only one final approach.

Or when they write hangers when they mean hangars.

Erich



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4751 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

My pet peeve is other peoples pet peeves..


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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting flight152 (Reply 9):
Seems like a pretty strange feature. Doesn't seem entirely necessary.

Normally when one sees things like this, or strange SOPs unique to one airline, it is a result of an occurrence within that airline. Likely U2 had an incident where the aircraft took off or landed without the cabin being prepared.



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 14):

While on the terminology bandwagon, my pet peeve is when people are calling it 'finals' instead of 'final'.
There is only one final approach.

Incredibly pointless gripe, as you know exactly what someone means when they say "finals". It's also the official phraseology of the RAF so it's not incorrect. It actually originated as a shorthand for "miles final", e.g instead of saying "6 miles final" or whatever, you can just say "6 finals". That's where it's from anyway, not that anyone says it like that anymore.

So, like much phraseology in Aviation, it came about to a reason from a long time ago that isn't massively relevant now, but there's no harm in it.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
The only "buttons" on a Flight Deck are on the pilots' shirts. There are Switches, Selectors and Keys on the flight deck.

Airbus disagrees.



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User currently offlineSAAFNAV From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Oh the irony is too great!

The amount of posts that I have seen where people scream and shout about petty differences doesn't really gel with 'incredibly pointless gripe'.

I didn't really say that it keeps me up at night, or that I would interrupt someone to point it out to him.

Erich



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Why does the FO have 2 stripes, and not 3?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 19):
Why does the FO have 2 stripes, and not 3?

My guess is he is a Junior F/O or Second Officer (whatever the rank is called at EasyJet). Since EasyJet has no long hauls I assume this means he is in final stages of training.



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 18):
Oh the irony is too great!

Do you know what irony means?

Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 18):
I didn't really say that it keeps me up at night, or that I would interrupt someone to point it out to him.

No, but you called it a peeve. So you said it peeves you off, or causes you annoyance. Explaining why it shouldn't isn't "ironic", and certainly doesn't constitute "screaming and shouting".

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 19):
Why does the FO have 2 stripes, and not 3?

Because he's still on FlexiCrew's cadet contract and is therefore still a cadet pilot. They're starting to get permenant contracts now but it's a bit hit and miss...



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User currently offlinetwincommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Those are indicator lights, not switches.

ever get into an argument about someone who says korry switch?


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