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How To Deice Inside The Nacelle?  
User currently offlineabnormal From UK - England, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Does anybody have experience deicing the inside/intake of a engine nacelle between the heated engine lip and the fan blades.

During the extensive ground delays associated with heavy snowfalls we've observed some rather excessive ice buildups inside the nacelle and it has damaged the fan blades on occasion. 2" thick accumulations were noted several times (reported as 3" but lets keep it real)

The ground heaters are too slow in melting the ice so now we're thinking of using glycol applied with a low pressure sprayer. There are obvious engine and cabin air contamination concerns so we'd rather not go the glycol route but I can't think of any other reasonable solution.

Anybody have any suggestions or cautions with respect to using glycol?

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User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1598 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Wow, I think I'd invest in some engine covers!

Our mechs go out and try and scoop the snow out before it freezes into blocks of ice.

[Edited 2013-03-03 10:41:07]


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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1361 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Clear away snow with soft brushes, do not attempt to scrape off ice. Only approved method of removing ice from the engine intake and fan blades is to direct hot air at it, and wait until it melts. Might take a while, during which it is common to have a thought about how clever engine covers really are. General bitching about inaccurate weather forecasting and the folly of trying to run the circus in a blizzard, are usually also vital components of engine de-icing.


From receips and radials over straight pipes to big fans - been there, done that, got the hearing defects to prove
User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5452 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Our cold weather manual allows the copious use of isopropyl alcohol to melt any ice after mechanically removing snow and loose ice.


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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14027 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Hot air (don´t use an airstarter, they are much to strong and hot and you can cause damage or injury if the hose slips out of your hands). Use a cabin heater instead. CFM also approves a certain type of de-icing fluid for the fanblades on the engines of the 737NG, but i forgot the spec and don´t have the manuals available here at home. It is applied hot. Also make sure that the drain hole in the intake is open, so that the water will be able to run out.

Jan


User currently offlineabnormal From UK - England, joined Aug 2007, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Jut to fill in some blanks

We do clean out the nacelles and check the blades prior to pushback but when your motoring around in 11/2 sm vis due to snow while waiting 45 mins to 2 hrs to deice, the snow and ice accumulate. We've had so much blade damage, the deicing folks are now checking the nacelle for us to see if we need to return to gate and have it cleaned out.

Our thinking is that the ice is formed by 2 means:
1) from water and slush being sucked up off the ground (if the plane is stationary for a period you can see the dry
empty spot on the ground getting bigger and bigger), or
2) snow that hits the lip and melts runs back only to refreeze before the fan.

At this point I'm even contemplating finding a wax or non toxic oil (olive oil?) that could be used to coat/polish the inside of the nacelle inlet before pushback which would let the water flow back easier and make it less likely for ice to form?


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
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If the suction is great enough to suck snow/slush off the ground it in not going to hang around in the intake, it will keep going and pass through the fan. Likewise if the lip is warm enough to melt snow it must mean the anti-ice in selected on which in turn means the engine must be running creating the suction that will draw any water through the fan.

You can't go round thinking of any old fluids/compounds to eliminate the problem, what ever you use has to be approved by the airframe/engine or nacelle manfacturer


User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 6):
You can't go round thinking of any old fluids/compounds to eliminate the problem, what ever you use has to be approved by the airframe/engine or nacelle manfacturer

And it must also be approved in the de-icing/winter opertions manual. if it is not an approved method it can't be used.


User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14027 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 7):
And it must also be approved in the de-icing/winter opertions manual. if it is not an approved method it can't be used.

The de-icing manual is just a compilation of data from the maintenance manual. Everything written in the de-icing manual for the aircraft (minus the actual operation of the de-icing vehicle and the quality checks of the de-icing fluid) is also listed in the AMM.

Jan


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