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User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 546 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
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On or about March 21st, the NASA Technical Report Server was taken off-line. Currently, if you go to the NTRS web page, you get a message saying:
"The NASA technical reports server will be unavailable for public access
while the agency conducts a review of the site's content to ensure that it
does not contain technical information that is subject to U.S. export control laws
and regulations and that the appropriate reviews were performed.
The site will return to service when the review is complete.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause."

The media reports that the Congressman who chairs the House Appropriations subcommittee controlling NASA funding, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA), demanded that NTRS be taken down. This happened after a Chinese national working for a contractor at NASA Langley was arrested on espionage charges, something that had nothing to do with NTRS. Now, 90 years of NACA and NASA research reports are only available in printed form. Some NACA and NASA reports are available on alternative websites, such as Cranfield University's website in the UK.

Official statements say that NTRS will be back after the review, but in the current climate of sequestration and polarization, there is reason to believe that this will not happen, unless... we all make our voices heard.

If you are a US citizen and care about having NTRS come back on-line, please call and/or write your representatives in the House and Senate and let them know. Without such an effort, we could very well never have access to NTRS again.

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

From wikipedia on that representative :

Quote:
In the 2011 United States federal budget, Wolf inserted a clause prohibiting NASA and the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from any joint scientific activity with China for the remainder of the 2011 fiscal year. Wolf remarked, "We don't want to give them the opportunity to take advantage of our technology, and we have nothing to gain from dealing with them. And frankly, it boils down to a moral issue. ... Would you have a bilateral program with Stalin?" This prohibition resulted in Chinese journalists being denied access to the launching of Space Shuttle Endeavour on the mission STS-134, which was carrying the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer which was built in part by Chinese scientists.

So, nothing surprising from him. He also supports less oversight on "CIA interrogations" and making the patriot act permanent.



New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 546 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2980 times:
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The NASA Technical Report Server was brought back on-line today, but all kinds of stuff is gone. All of the reports on supercritical wings and winglets are gone. All of the reports on the WWII fighters (P-51, Spitfire, Hurricane, F6F, P-39, etc) are gone. All of the F-86 wind tunnel and flight test reports are gone. All of the B-47 and B-52 loads flight test reports are gone. Best of all, NACA Report-254 "Distribution of Pressure Over Model of the Upper Wing and Aileron of a Fokker D-VII Airplane", written in 1927, is gone. This redefines ridiculous.

User currently offlinejetmech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting dlednicer (Thread starter):

I noticed the shutdown of NTRS a few months ago much to my dismay, as I really needed to download a lot of useful NACA / NASA references.

Quoting dlednicer (Reply 2):
The NASA Technical Report Server was brought back on-line today, but all kinds of stuff is gone. All of the reports on supercritical wings and winglets are gone.

Interesting, as I'd say that supercritical / aft loaded sections are a known quantity by now, not to mention the WWI and WWII stuff!

Hopefully there is still some useful stuff available   !

Regards, JetMech



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User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 633 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting jetmech (Reply 3):
Interesting, as I'd say that supercritical / aft loaded sections are a known quantity by now, not to mention the WWI and WWII stuff!

I am willing to bet all of the information contained in the pulled reports shows up somewhere in some textbook that is publicly available. As you said, supercritical airfoil design is hardly new. Those reports would bring them up to 30 odd years ago. Massive threat to national security, clearly.



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User currently offlineaaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8188 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I smell bureaucratic CYA on this one.


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User currently offlinejetmech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2699 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting akiss20 (Reply 4):
Massive threat to national security, clearly.

In a certain way, I can understand the direction Mr Wolf is coming from, but as you say, anything of real importance would never be made public in the first place, or only be revealed decades later. A lot of content that appears in NACA / NASA reports eventually gets published in non-government research journals anyway.

Luckily, the stuff I was after seems to still be mostly available.

Regards, JetMech



JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair.
User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 633 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting jetmech (Reply 6):
Quoting akiss20 (Reply 4):
Massive threat to national security, clearly.

In a certain way, I can understand the direction Mr Wolf is coming from, but as you say, anything of real importance would never be made public in the first place, or only be revealed decades later. A lot of content that appears in NACA / NASA reports eventually gets published in non-government research journals anyway.

Luckily, the stuff I was after seems to still be mostly available.

Regards, JetMech

I have to think that if Eisenhower could successfully implement Atoms for Peace at the height of the cold war, that making 70 year old research publicly available is not going to seriously degrade our national security, but then, I'm not the CIA or NSA director.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14097 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Quoting akiss20 (Reply 7):

I have to think that if Eisenhower could successfully implement Atoms for Peace at the height of the cold war, that making 70 year old research publicly available is not going to seriously degrade our national security, but then, I'm not the CIA or NSA director.

The design details of the Hiroshima bomb are still top secret, even though the last nuclear bomb of this type had been dismatled back in the late 1940s as being inheritently too dangerous to handle (and at this time safer bombs had been designed). After all it is a working nuclear bomb design, which can be easily copied.

Jan


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6823 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Quoting dlednicer (Reply 2):
Best of all, NACA Report-254 "Distribution of Pressure Over Model of the Upper Wing and Aileron of a Fokker D-VII Airplane", written in 1927, is gone.

Sanity prevails on this side of the atlantic (well, relatively)

http://aerade.cranfield.ac.uk/ara/1927/naca-report-254.pdf



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User currently offlineB737200 From Malta, joined Feb 2005, 225 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

It is back: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp


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