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Thinking About Becoming An A&P Mech.  
User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3232 times:
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Hello all. I am not sure if this belongs here, or in tech/ops. If it does belong in tech ops, can the moderators please move it. Thanks.

Now to my question.

I am seriously considering going to ERAU to get a BS degree in Aviation Maintenance. I was just wondering what I might be expecting here? The only thing that worries me is, I SUCK at Math. I can do the basics, and some geometry, and some fractions, but I SUCK at Algebra, Calculus, and the harder stuff. I am just worried that I might fail at my goal all on account of math. Can anybody tell me what kind of math I may be expected to learn?

I have already submitted my application for admission for Fall of 2014 (I am waiting until then because I need to have surgery in a couple of months, and I want to give myself time to fully recover)

Basically, I am wanting to know what I should expect. I submitted the app. for Indianapolis, IN, because it is the closest to home, and that way I can drive home on the weekends and hang out with my best friends. But during the week, I plan on studying my ass off so that I can make the highest possible grades, and then take my FAA certification once I graduate. I hope I can get some good advice and insight here from those more experienced than I am.

Thanks much guys and gals who are able to help me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOmCTehtFpI Everytime I watch this video, It makes me excited and ambitious to succeed.


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User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Hi Grisee08. Let me first say, I SUCK at Math, and Hate Math. Now that thats out of the Way, I have been a A&P for almost 25 years ( In fact I will have my A&P 25 years 05/26) and have been a Line mech, a Lead, and a Inspector. My Dad ,and Brother are also A&Ps and we all suck at math   There was some math to learn, but for the most part the formulas were give to you during the test. We needed a scientific calculator for some classes during A&P school. ( I went to Northrop University) Its more if you were going to the eng side of Aviation that Math is heavy. I also don't know how ERAU BS degree program is presented, but try the A&P program, get your tickets, and see if you want to get your BS at that point.
Just some small points, if you are going to get your A&P to go work for a Airline, I would try and get in a Avionics program if they have one. Also Don't get discouraged, Its very easy in A&P shcool. Good luck on your classes, and Good luck on your Surgery. n901wa


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9512 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 1):
also don't know how ERAU BS degree program is presented, but try the A&P program, get your tickets, and see if you want to get your BS at that point.

save yourself a ton of money to get an A&P and then transfer to ERAU.

(and an A&P is an A&P....)



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3149 times:
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Thanks n901wa. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who sucks at math. ERAU has been trying to call me, but they need to try calling me AFTER 12:00pm and not 9:00AM


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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 2):
save yourself a ton of money to get an A&P and then transfer to ERAU.

I may not be reading your post correctly, but can you elaborate? are you saying I can get an A&P first?:-(



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User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Good luck with trying to compete with the over 1000 laid off ex-AVEOS workers.


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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9512 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 4):
I may not be reading your post correctly, but can you elaborate? are you saying I can get an A&P first?:-(

If you can find a school that the classes will transfer to ERAU. I would have to look at the degree you wanting and everything (4 year degree correct?) but yes. Generally A&Ps are a two year deal. You can find little A&P schools that cost half or even less than what ERAU does.

Someone may have a differing opinion but the few guys I know who went to ERAU just for the A&P tell me all the time they wish they would have went to a cheap state school and not have all the student loan debt. Can't say I blame them.
IIRC it would cost more for a person in the state of Georgia to go to Georgia Tech or The University Of Georgia than it would to go the ERAU here.


Oh one more note, don't worry too much about the math. If you can do some basic algebra/geometry you'll be fine. Like 901 said, you'll be given formulas (for things like sheet metal) and you'll have to be able to plug them in. Outside of the "Aviation Math" class(s) you'll have to take, your electricity stuff will have some math. (crap you'll never use again)

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 5):

and the AMR employes and.....it goes on and on. Aircraft mechanics are, and will be, increasingly hard to find.
the majors are finally going to start hitting the retirement bubble here soon. Should have fairly consistent hiring about the time he/she would be getting out of A&P school.



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User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Howzit Deltal1011man. That is good advice. I wish I went to West LA instead of the butt load of money I put out at Northrop.

Hey Grisee08, like Deltal1011man said above ( He's also a Good AMT   ), The jobs are out there. In fact where I am at they are interviewing for 19 Line AMTs the last month. So like I said above don't get discouraged. If you wanna work on Airplanes, go for it!  


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9512 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):
The jobs are out there. In fact where I am at they are interviewing for 19 Line AMTs the last month.

and still hiring. I see a post in 250 with until filled and its posted for new hires. You guys losing a lot of people or are they beefing up out there?

and if you can deal with New York.....Delta is damn near always hiring between LGA or JFK. IIRC UA is also adding hangar space at EWR so I'm sure they will be getting close to hiring(I am not sure how many they still have on furlough if any) Delta's list have been clear for a while.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):
( He's also a Good AMT   )

As in 901  
Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):

Howzit Deltal1011man. That is good advice. I wish I went to West LA instead of the butt load of money I put out at Northrop.

Thats what I get out of basically everyone. Thankfully I was a cheap ass and went to a little hole in the wall school. I can't imagine spending the money some of the guys pay for an A&P. (thankfully when I went to get my A&P I had someone who went to ERAU pull me aside and tell me the truth) Hope everything is going good on the west coast.

One more thing. 901 made a good point on avionics, I would also tell you to try to do as much with composites as humanly possible. Not all schools have composite classes so its something to keep in mind. As for avionics at the very least pay the 60 bucks or whatever, buy the book(so 60 more bucks) and take the test. Getting the FCC licenses, even if you don't plan on using it, will put you a little bit ahead of people without.

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 4):

Ok So i have done a little digging into this for you. IF you can find a school (which may or may not be easy, you would have to talk to ERAU about this) that credits will transfer, it looks as though you could get a BA from ERAU in ~30 hours (so a year or two) after you get your A&P. My advice is to talk to them and see what your options are. Its a fun job, it really is. As long as you love what you're doing. ERAU is a great school, so by all means if that where your heart is go. I am just saying you have some other, cheaper, options. (ERAU is the big name for sure, but like i said....an A&P is an A&P. so it doesn't really matter where you get it.)

Good luck and don't let people get you down. It isn't what it was for sure but its still a good job. Like i said the majors are starting to hire somewhat regularly again and it should be getting better.



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User currently offlinegcb5196 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2931 times:

Hi There,
I am currently going to a community college for my A&P, just got my airframe cert. As others have stated I am just working on getting my A&P and then I will decide whether or not and where to go for my degree. They estimate the cost for school and tools for the A&P program at my college for around $10,000.

Don't sweat the math concerning the license. My school required an aviation math class if you didn't have current college courses. And out of the several hundred questions possible for the FAA exam you are only asked 60 questions for the General exam, the chances of getting a lot of math questions is slim, I think I had two.

Where the math probably will come into play is for the degree. In my case I need two more math classes to get the degree, which may sway my decision to go for the degree.

If all goes well I will finish my classes in October and I am planning on having the exams done before the end of October.

Good luck!


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9512 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting gcb5196 (Reply 9):
Don't sweat the math concerning the license. My school required an aviation math class if you didn't have current college courses. And out of the several hundred questions possible for the FAA exam you are only asked 60 questions for the General exam, the chances of getting a lot of math questions is slim, I think I had two.

I think the test bank has 70ish questions in math plus a hand full in things like electricity and sheet metal.
its 60 for the G, 100 for A and Ps.

If your getting a degree its likely that your degree core math classes with be harder than the stuff you have to do to get an A&P. Honestly if you passed your HS algebra classes you should be good to go. JMO

Quoting gcb5196 (Reply 9):

Where the math probably will come into play is for the degree. In my case I need two more math classes to get the degree, which may sway my decision to go for the degree.

It will. While a degree would have some other classes that deal with Aviation, the bulk of a BA degree centered around an A&P will be the A&P classes and then core stuff. (Ie math, english, history, possibly foreign language, etc.)
After getting an A&P you may be better off doing a BA in like management or engineering than getting a BA centered around an A&P. (but this adds more time/money to your college life.)

Congrats on almost being done gcb.         



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User currently offlinegcb5196 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2903 times:

Thank you! I'm pretty excited. I was very relieved to get the Airframe license done and out of the way. It's all down hill from here.

User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
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I guess I could always check out SIU in Carbondale, IL. I know they have aviation programs, and I would be able to come home every night. Thanks for all the advice and tips everybody. I really do appreciate it.  


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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 12):
guess I could always check out SIU in Carbondale, IL. I know they have aviation programs, and I would be able to come home every night. Thanks for all the advice and tips everybody. I really do appreciate it.

Ok guess I will be the spoiler here. May I ask what is your ultimate end goal that you are wanting? airlines, or corporate etc.. Having gone the regional, major airline and now major freight airline I have to say after 28 years if I was to go back in time I would never have gone into this. Even though my end result I ended up quite well I lost a lot with the turmoil in the passenger airline industry pre and post 9/11 including almost 20 yrs with NWA. ERAU is very very expensive your return on investment especially from ERAU will be extremely poor at best. At any airline working in maintenance you can expect working a lot of midnight shifts and working most all holidays until you have some seniority. Also I have found A@P's are not respected by airline management or pilots you are only their friend when an airplane is broke then after the airplane is fixed you are back to redheaded step child status. Add to that working out in the elements and on systems like toilets or grinding corrosion all for chump change unless you are at the top handful of airlines a lot of mechanics wind up at MRO sweatshops to gain experience or at the regional airlines both of which pay less than a worker at Taco Bell. Sorry to rain on your parade. My cousin who works in corporate aviation tried to dissuade me from getting my A@P of course I knew it all way back then..Wish I had taken his advice. Just want you to go in with your eyes wide open to all forms of advice the good and the bad before you invest 2 yrs and possibly a lot of money depending on where you go to get that A@P. Good Luck in whatever you decide.



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User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
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Hey you could do like I did and get paid to get your A&P. I spent 10 years as a mech. in the USMC and before separating from the Corps. I got my sign offs from the FAA to take the exams, I took a 1 week learn the test class and now 23 years later I am still hitting it hard as a mech.. Yep, been working on aircraft for 33 years, there must be something good about it.  

One bit of advice after you get your first gig.. Unless you get really lucky don't put down permanent roots until you feel that your job is secure. I have been laid off more times then ???

Look at maybe working an apprentice program. I am not sure how many airlines offer it but mine does. We get alot of our mechs. internally. Rampers, Appearance techs., behind the wall employees. Most are rampers which go to the local A&P school while working for us, once they get thier ticket they apply for the apprenticeship program. Once accepted they work along side us with thier own Apprentice lead. It pays more then the ramp but less then a new hire mech.. Once the program is completed (1.5 years) they are hired as a day 1 mechanic guaranteed. Company seniority, profit sharing, etc. stays but you are at the bottom of the mechanic seniority list.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

The Math Experience you'll need won't be very complicated ones,so you can relax about that.

I'd only add , if you enter this field......there are going to be times when you may need to cut out on family/friend time to complete a job.This can get frustrating if you are not ready for it.

But if you like the field,ready to put in hrs of Study & work and willing to compromise on your social life....Go Ahead.



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