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User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
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I am presently a Commercial Aviation student a well known university.

My experience living on campus has been wonderful, and I wouldn't trade it. Housing has been great, and I've had a chance to meet and spend time with an exceptional group of people. However, while I realize that there is no perfect school, I have some areas of dissatisfaction with the program and the university as a whole, enough that I am beginning to look elsewhere.

I am aware of Embry-Riddle's reputation and am looking down that avenue. Other than that does anyone have any recommendations?

My Father attended ASU, which apparently now has some sort of flight program. Has anyone heard anything about them?

I'm requesting information from a number of schools, but I get a little tired of hearing the obligatory sales pitch, so I'd be very interested in hearing from people who've actually been involved in these programs. I've also heard people mention Purdue.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

I got into Purdues program and took a tour of the facility. It seems like a great program. Another very well known one is UND. There are defiently posters from both on here. I did not attend Purdue though. I figured getting a degree in flying was not the best idea in the world and so far it was a good decision. But I would highly reccomend Purdue if you are looking into that program.


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User currently offlineb777erj145 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

I am graduating from Univ. Of Oklahoma in aviation. OU might not have big program like Embry-Riddle, Purdue, or UND have, but it has a good program for it size. I am pleased with the education I got. I chose OU because of ATC major.

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

If you are majoring in some aviation type degree then go to ERAU, take advantage of the internship programs, get the name on your diploma, etc. Be prepared to spend the next few decades paying back your student loans.

I would honestly recommend going to some regular state school, and getting a useful degree in computer engineering or something non-aviation related so you can have a side income when you are a poor RJ FO making $20k and trying to pay off your school loans!



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User currently onlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):
getting a useful degree in computer engineering or something non-aviation related

I agree. I graduated this past January from the University of San Diego with a Bachelors Degree in Business Administration, and now I'm enrolled at a flight school in Dallas, TX in order to get my commercial pilot license. This way I can focus full-time on my flight training without taking college classes at the same time.

[Edited 2013-05-10 18:43:25]


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User currently offlineKEWR2014 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

I am currently a student at Embry Riddle Daytona Beach and work at the information desk at the Daytona Beach campus as well as part time for the ERAU Worldwide campus. I'm majoring in Air Traffic Management as well as working towards FAA flight dispatch operations certification.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to PM me or anything.


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9810 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

I assume you are going to university of North Dakota. Are you training to be a pilot or something else? I have only ever worked in aviation, but entered the field With a mechanical emgineering degree. You don't need to go to a premier aviation school. You need to get the right degree.


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User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
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Quoting KEWR2014 (Reply 5):
I am currently a student at Embry Riddle Daytona Beach and work at the information desk at the Daytona Beach campus as well as part time for the ERAU Worldwide campus. I'm majoring in Air Traffic Management as well as working towards FAA flight dispatch operations certification.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to PM me or anything.

I have requested information from ASU, OU, and ERAU. If I still have questions, I'll let you know.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 6):
I assume you are going to university of North Dakota. Are you training to be a pilot or something else? I have only ever worked in aviation, but entered the field With a mechanical emgineering degree. You don't need to go to a premier aviation school. You need to get the right degree.

I am training to be a pilot. I am aware that the university name on the degree is not as important as the degree itself which is really why I'm posting this. Obviously the schools I've heard of are the ones with the massive programs and the polished reputations.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 7):
I am training to be a pilot. I am aware that the university name on the degree is not as important as the degree itself which is really why I'm posting this. Obviously the schools I've heard of are the ones with the massive programs and the polished reputations.

Keep in mind the type of degree doesn't matter either. An airline does not care if you have an "aviation degree" or a degree in 17th century art they just want to see a 4 year degree.
I agree with some others saying getting a "degree" in flying is not the best of ideas in the world. That being said if you have your mind set on it and are planning on spending that money in the flying degree go to ERAU, they have the best job prospects from what I have seen. UND and Purdue are good too.



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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9810 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting g38 (Reply 7):
I am training to be a pilot. I am aware that the university name on the degree is not as important as the degree itself which is really why I'm posting this. Obviously the schools I've heard of are the ones with the massive programs and the polished reputations.

The best degrees are business or engineering, engineering is by far the best if you want a well paying career in aviation in case you end up grounded. Unfortunately it is one of the hardest undergraduate degrees out there and passing classes while flying is extremely hard. Personally I would get a versatile degree that is not aviation focused. You can always work in aviation with a versatile degree, but when the industry goes into a downturn an aviation degree won't keep you employed in other fields and you need a good job to cover your debt.

Some people think a degree in aeronautical science and flying is good. In reality it doesn't prepare you for anything if you decide flying isn't working out or it you lose your medical. It is only good if you plan on flying until retirement and nothing goes wrong.

A minor is worthless for getting you a job. It helps provide knowledge that is useful, but major companies don't pay attention to minors.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting g38 (Thread starter):
I am aware of Embry-Riddle's reputation and am looking down that avenue. Other than that does anyone have any recommendations?

I'll chime in with some others above. I recommend getting a degree in something other than aviation and doing your flying at a good small ("mom and pop") school. You'll save money and it is unlikely your career prospects will be worse than if you get a degree from ERAU or UND. Ultimately personality and attitude count for more than the school you went to. Engineering or hard science degrees are always useful and highly regarded, even if you don't work in engineering or hard science. Math is everywhere.

Speaking to a recruiter at a major airline, she told me that those who went to the "mom and pop" schools on average tended to have better skills initially. Anecdotal of course as I only have one data point.

Do be selective with the flight school. Many are crap and some are downright criminal, while others are just mediocre. Look for well maintained equipment, high professional standards and a commitment to student success. Look for a school which does "full immersion" (often called "accelerated training"). This means you can also compress your flying into holidays and focus on university studies during term time. You'll be flying 2-3 times a day, seven days a week isntead of twice a week. This greatly improves retention.

Leading from that, I highly recommend SunState Aviation in Kissimmee.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
I chose OU because of ATC major.
Quoting KEWR2014 (Reply 5):
I'm majoring in Air Traffic Management

I hope you all are prepared to wait.


User currently offlinen6238p From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

The best aviation university is the one with the most members on this site. I say this only because thats the answer your going to get really anywhere on the Internet.

You want to go to the school that's going to teach you how to fly in the real world. All that glass isn't going to help you hand fly a metroliner from ELP to YIP or drag a banner about GIECO across Florida. The new ATP requirement is going to really throw a screw into things when you try to figure out how to get from 250-1500 hours. Not everyone is going to be a CFI. You want a school where the instructors are going to teach you common sense in the cockpit. Your first jobs are going to require you to do some flying that isnt written in any kind of book. You want a school with a healthy social scene so you can learn to get along with the same guy for 4 days straight. That fancy simulator or new paint job isn't going to help you when you get paired with a captain that is set in their ways.

This isn't a knock on the big schools with the nice toys it's just a little preview on what you're going to get to deal with when you graduate.

I did all my training through a large university flight program in the Midwest, I even instructed for it. But holy crap were my eyes opened when I did my first flying outside of that environment.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7276 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 11):
I hope you all are prepared to wait

I'm not sure how this happens but umm I'm not at OU and I'm certainly not becoming an air traffic controller.

Quoting b777erj145 (Reply 2):

He is though.



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User currently offlinepilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

I would study anything BUT aviation. If I had to do it all over again, I would. That degree is absolutely worthless to you when you're furloughed and looking for work (which will happen). I also think the atmosphere has contributed to the horrible working conditions at the lower levels of the industry. All you do for 4 years is drool over jets. "Paying your dues" shouldn't mean living in poverty. Entry level plumbers and electricians make a livable wage, why can't pilots? Give yourself some versatility and learn about something other than airplanes. You can do that while you're working on your ratings at a local school that costs less.

I'm no longer flying for a living, but I am still working in the industry. I, like many have decided it's not worth it to say you're an airline pilot in the US. Food for thought:

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...eer-losing-its-appeal-shows-survey



DMI
User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):

Hmmm that is a very interesting anet glitch. I definitely copied and quoted that text from reply 2.


User currently offlineMrCazzy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

I'm studying commercial aviation at UND, the program is tough but I've learned a lot. Love the campus

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