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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18506 times:

Funny how the "Taxiing from the gate" thread is up. I was just thinking the other day that not many airports have a need for equipment with self-contained air stairs. They were mainly on the DC-9/MD-80s, Caravelle, 727, and 737-200s. Besides the RJs and turboprops, are there any self-contained air stairs on any jets anymore?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18515 times:

Doesn't Ryanair have them on its planes?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10645 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18493 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
Doesn't Ryanair have them on its planes?

And they probably charge the passengers for their use, either boarding or deplaning  



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User currently offlineFlyingGoat From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18481 times:

The BBJ is still available with the air stairs.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18483 times:

Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
Besides the RJs and turboprops, are there any self-contained air stairs on any jets anymore?
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
Doesn't Ryanair have them on its planes?

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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18374 times:

The BAC 1-11 had them. If I remember correctly the main cabin door had to be open before you could deploy the stairs.

User currently offlinecv880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18315 times:

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 5):
The BAC 1-11 had them. If I remember correctly the main cabin door had to be open before you could deploy the stairs.

Viscounts, Electras, Martin 404, CV440, F-27, YS-11, first orders of DC-9's/727's, DC-3, current B747's used as AF One.

[Edited 2013-05-11 18:23:08]

User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18249 times:

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 5):
The BAC 1-11 had them. If I remember correctly the main cabin door had to be open before you could deploy the stairs.

Same with the BAe 146/Avro RJ, the slide cover blocks the railing for the stairs, meaning the door needs to be opened fully for the stairs to be pulled out of its stowage. Additionally (and interestingly), the 146 could have airstairs at either the front or rear doors, not just the front.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18199 times:

Air Force One has a self-contained airstair. IL-86 does too.

http://www.wingweb.co.uk/wingweb/img/Air_Force_One_VC-25A.jpg

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/1/6/0914613.jpg



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6162 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18105 times:
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Quoting cv880 (Reply 6):
first orders of DC-9's

I remember the Ozark DC-9s and their air stairs, when I flew out of SGF as a kid.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18094 times:

Quoting cv880 (Reply 6):
Quoting BatonOps (Reply 5):
The BAC 1-11 had them. If I remember correctly the main cabin door had to be open before you could deploy the stairs.

Viscounts, Electras, Martin 404, CV440, F-27

F27!!! Are you sure? You could step directly to/from the ground on an F27, although small airstairs were usually used. Did you mean F28?

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17941 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
F27!!! Are you sure? You could step directly to/from the ground on an F27, although small airstairs were usually used. Did you mean F28?

Both. I remember when QX had both F27 and F28. There were a few short steps in the rear of the F27.

EDIT:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=0384837

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 8):
IL-86 does too

And the IL-96, IIRC.

[Edited 2013-05-11 19:46:28]


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2748 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17876 times:

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 7):
Same with the BAe 146/Avro RJ, the slide cover blocks the railing for the stairs, meaning the door needs to be opened fully for the stairs to be pulled out of its stowage. Additionally (and interestingly), the 146 could have airstairs at either the front or rear doors, not just the front.

The self contained airstairs were an option on the 146. An airline I used to work for had the 146's and they did not have self contained airstairs. We used jetways or wheeled stairs to the plane.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
F27!!! Are you sure? You could step directly to/from the ground on an F27, although small airstairs were usually used.

There is currently a topic in tech/ops about this. FH-227 /F-27 Doors (by B777UA Apr 28 2013 in Tech Ops)

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 8):
Air Force One has a self-contained airstair. IL-86 does too.

There were a couple L-1011's with them also.

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User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17877 times:

Many years ago a british holiday airline called Courtline had them on their L1011 s and i think they came out of the lower galley.
I saw a picture once


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5807 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17706 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
Both. I remember when QX had both F27 and F28. There were a few short steps in the rear of the F27.

EDIT:http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=0384837

Well you learn something every day on airliners.net! I certainly never saw them on TAA & the Ansett Group, although both had so many F27 I won't say none of their airframes had them.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinecv880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17579 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Well you learn something every day on airliners.net! I certainly never saw them on TAA & the Ansett Group, although both had so many F27 I won't say none of their airframes had them.
http://www.deltamuseum.org/M_Educati..._DeltaHistory_Aircraft_FH-227B.htm


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17529 times:

COs (former PEs) 737-100s had them....our aft jumpseat was a/c right on those planes....ricket a** things...'double knock" anyone?  


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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1453 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17318 times:

TK 737-400 also had/has self contained stairs...


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User currently offlinebeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17057 times:

I have seen a private B757 with a self contained set of stairs

User currently offlineloranfair From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17003 times:

I believe the airstairs were only on the Fairchild F-27s and FH-227s, not the Fokker F.27s. I have also seen 737-200s with airstairs on both the L1 and L2 doors.

User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16828 times:

British Airways had L1 airstairs on their BAC1-11s - except the LHR-based -510s - apparently they were removed to save weight and maintenance costs - except they found they needed to add ballast to counteract the weight difference. There was a rumour in BA that there were 20-odd shipsets of 1-11 airstairs lying around somewhere at Heathrow [ TB(A,B,C, etc)].

The BHX-based -400s and -539s retained the L1 airstairs as delivered - not sure about the MAN-based a/c...


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

They are an option on all 737-NG aircraft...
They were standard up through the -500, but were made optional with the NG to save the outrageous weight and maintenance costs. Hated those things!!!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15965 times:

Didn't the DC9 have airstairs at the very rear of the aircraft?


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15900 times:

The 727, DC9 and Caravelle had built-in air stairs in the rear. But the ones in the 727 uniquely, had a dual function. They could support the airplane's weight and prevent the aircraft's nose from going up, if something went wrong during loading/unloading on ground.


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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15697 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):

They had, but I believe a few of the series 10 did not



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25 edina : The Court aircraft had air stairs that extended from the hold on the right hand side of the aircraft and aligned with door 3 right.......it was the P
26 Bthebest : That's why its surprising to find Ryanair with them, but they obviously did the sums and decided it was cheaper than paying for ground equipment. Do
27 AA737-823 : I don't work for Ryanair, so take this with a grain of salt, but Ryanair is the antithesis of "subfleet". I very much expect that the airstairs are f
28 Post contains links and images FlySSC : The Dassault MERCURE also had built in air stairs View Large View MediumPhoto © Fabien Campillo
29 Strathpeffer : I think some of BA's early A320s (G-BUS*) had integral airstairs at L1.
30 captainstefan : The continuations of the DC-9 (MD-8x, MD-90, 717) all have retractable stairs in the rear. All of DL's DC-9s/-88s-90s have airstairs at door 1L but al
31 Post contains links SpaceshipDC10 : I'm not sure whether it was indeed installed on production aircraft, but Lockheed also proposed this kind of self-contained air-stairs. http://crimso.
32 reifel : It was mentioned earlier, but IL86 do, and interestingly they do on a lower deck (on a level where you would load cargo). Aparently this is due to rem
33 gemuser : Learning ever more! Gemuser
34 AirPacific747 : The price must still be lower compared to what the airports charge. Otherwise FR wouldn't use them I assume.
35 jolau1701 : SSSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!!! You're going to give them bad ideas!
36 rwy04lga : A third function was a convenient way to parachute from the plane.
37 okAY : ATR 72/42, F50 and SAAB 340/2000 have self contained stairs IIRC.
38 CXfirst : F100 also had the option. -CXfirst
39 Post contains links and images rutankrd : Lufthansa's original short fuselage 737-130 models had a unique rear integral air-stair then required the door to hinge downwards rather like a number
40 type-rated : The DC-9 & BAC 111 had integral air stairs because a lot of the airports that they flew into didn't have ground facilities. The air stairs made th
41 rutankrd : Manchester, Heathrow and Berlin shared the use of the BAC1-11-510ED - The front stairs were not used as far as I remember through on many occasions I
42 thrufru : To answer the initial poster's question, yes there are new aircraft around with self-contained airstairs. Miami Air has them and we frequently use the
43 edina : They did, but were deactivated by the mid 90s, and were rarely used in any case. The control panels were just adjacent to the door hinge at 1L, and w
44 Tristarsteve : Yes they were fitted on delivery. I saw them demonstrated at the factory at Toulouse. But on delivery they were made inoperative because of a safety
45 Post contains links and images SpaceshipDC10 : Indeed View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcus Fulton
46 virginblue4 : Flybe 195's have self-contained air stairs at the front and obviously so do the Q400's as they are part of the door.
47 edina : Thanks for that! I knew they hadn't been touched since I started working on the A320 in '95....didn't realise they had never been used. My initial ca
48 Ditzyboy : The 717 does not feature aft airstairs. I believe it was removed as an option during the design phase to increase fuel efficiency.
49 Strathpeffer : I have/had a poster of all the types regularly visiting DUS many years ago - no idea where it is now - but the A320 photo is a BA one with the airsta
50 Post contains links and images YAK42 : I wonder if these are still a possible option that could be fitted, for example if Ryanair expressed interest in the type and insisted on integral ai
51 Post contains links Strathpeffer : They're often specified on corporate ones. See here: http://dave--kelly.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/australian-a319.html?m=1
52 Asteriskceo : I saw a WN 737 with the air stairs compartment located below the boarding door. I believe it was an airTran converted ship, and they most likely strip
53 cschleic : John Travolta's 707 has them in the front. I wonder if it is/was the only 707 with them?
54 Post contains images YAK42 : Thanx!
55 longhauler : It is very rare to have that rear door air-stair installation on an all passenger B737. All combi versions of the B737-200 had that rear air-stair. A
56 Post contains links and images CitationJet : Really? If so, I never knew that. I am not sure where they would be located and stored. I don't see a small door below the passenger door: According
57 woodsboy : Just like the pictured LH 731, All of Alaska Airlines 737-200QCs had the same kind of L2 airstairs where the door folded down and the stairs folded o
58 doulasc : On Boeing 727s-Eastern was the only one I noticed that had self contained stairs at the front passenger loading door.Other airlines Boeing 727s i have
59 rwy04lga : Delta's MD-88s have the L1 airstair door sealed shut. I don't know if they were ever used.
60 Tomassjc : Air California had them on their original 6 all passenger aircraft, that were originally destined for Pacific before the Air West merger. AS's oldest
61 FlyMKG : While true on a 727-100, many airlines prohibit having the stairs down during loading on the -200. The increase in arm between the main wheels and th
62 Post contains links and images longhauler : That's really interesting, and I start to wonder if maybe the rear air-stair was "invented" before the forward air-stair. At the time, all of the air
63 fanofjets : Indeed - Lockheed used the prototype to build a set of stairs that were stowed in one of the rear cargo holds. I think Court Line ordered the option,
64 by738 : There was a fancy lift mechanism offered conversion for the 748 which came down to the tarmac !
65 Tristarsteve : Can you say that again. Are you on a real HS 748, or a new fangled B747-800?
66 Tomassjc : I believe Aloha had a few early all passenger 737s with dual integral air stairs as well. Actually, the Air Cal jet pictured was on lease from Aloha!
67 Post contains links SpaceshipDC10 : Probably these, from the link I posted earlier http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE73-6/24-1.jpg
68 okAY : That must be the coolest, but also the most quirky air stairs I have seen ! Thanks for the photo.
69 EIDL : They often use ground equipment to L2 to speed boarding/unloading so its not an outright aversion to paying for it; its something that allows them to
70 yeelep : I'm pretty sure none of the AS -200's had L1 airstairs. Your'e correct, the stairs have been removed. I think N786AS is also the only plane in the cu
71 Post contains links and images zanl188 : It sure does. Airstairs were popular aftermarket additions to private 707s. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mike Paschal Usually stowed in the cabin j
72 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : KLM's recently-retired Fokker 100st had a mix of the downward-opening airstair door and the regular sideways-opening door with no airstairs. Depended
73 Post contains images zanl188 : N88ZL had airstairs at the back door as well. I'm not familiar with that installation, not sure where it stows but I presume it goes in the cabin as w
74 Post contains images Viscount724 : LH 737-100s also had airstairs at both front and rear. The rear airstairs were the same as those on 737-200 combis. The rear airstairs door is wider t
75 Post contains links and images zanl188 : Not technically an airstair, but unusual enough that it should be included. USAF C-9As had a self contained ramp in the cargo door. Used for embarking
76 HAWK21M : Is the Airstair an option on the -NG and if so is the mechanism similiar to that of the -200.
77 Viscount724 : As already mentioned, Ryanair have the airstairs on their 737-800s. I doubt they've changed since the first 737-100 in 1967. They look virtually iden
78 dlramp4life : Alot of G4 airplanes have the slot and the handle for the air stairs but those are taken out now. Also SY has stairs at the front of the aircraft I be
79 L-188 : It's been nearly twenty years since I worked there but I do not recall any of the -200's having a forward airstair either. Almost correct on the L2 d
80 yeelep : Yep, N741AS.
81 7BOEING7 : All -200's had airstairs on delivery, it wasn't until somewhere in the New Gen (-300/400/500) run that they started disappearing. When I was flying w
82 SXDFC : A hand full of -300s have the door sealed shut, as well as some of the 2nd hand -700s and some of the ex FL frames. Off the top of my head here are t
83 HAWK21M : Air stair on the B732s were loaded with sequencing switches & sometimes snag prone.Wonder if Improvements were made on the later versions.
84 Post contains images Jetlagged : One type not mentioned so far that had front and rear airstairs were Vickers Vanguards.
85 Geezer : In the late 1950's or early 1960, and a year or so before the B 707 became the first commercial jet airliner in the U.S., old Piedmont Airlines operat
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